In this You Tube feature, Bryan Spencer talks about the rigging of the votes in St. Charles, Missouri. Why the media was trusted to have cameras but citizens were not allowed.
“We don’t want people to see what actually goes into the caucuses.”
And how the police were notified in advance.
For those who missed it, the following video shows what happened that day. Anticipating that the majority of caucus goers would favor Ron Paul, the temporary chairman and GOP inside organizers planned to copy methods used in other counties. A pre-arranged delegate slate of Republican insiders would be voted on and declared won by acclamation, over the voices of protest by the attendees. If the majority didn’t like it they could complain.
If the numbers were too great and the deception too obvious, the temporary chairman would provoke the crowd and by pre-arrangment police would be called in to shut down the event. The latter proved quite easy. By announcing that only approved media could have video, that all other video would be banned, including video cell phones, the temporary chairman got what he wanted. The police, on standby, were called in.
When a former GOP County Chairman and Ron Paul supporter, who is handicapped, tried to give instructions to Ron Paul supporters, outside the venue, telling them when and where to meet, the temporary chairman followed him outside and had the police arrest him and take him away in handcuffs.
Doug Wead 
Why didn’t you highlight the parts in the first video where the guy was obviously trying to allow all the candidates to be represented, and not allow the Paulites to take it over?
Ron is not making any points with this behavior. If he was a legitimate candidate with legitimate positions, this meeting terrorism wouldn’t be necessary. This is bedlam, not democracy.
Huh? This guy was trying to foil Ron Paul voters, even though they were going to be in the majority!
The GOP is the one not making points with this behavior.. and they are gonna pay for it in November.
Shame on you tex2…He is the ONLY “legitimate candidate with legitimate positions” you moron!
I knew my response would be the Paulites out of the woodwork! LOL
You must be confusing a caucus with a flash mob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob LOL
Sounds like the Paulites aren’t real Republicans, if they can’t support the nominee.
Shame on you Gadsden Gurl, Ron Paul and his followers are nutjobs you moron! LOL
Just because a Ron Paul supporter isn’t going to support just any poop they throw up on the wall to play ball with the GOP, which has been voting in tandem with the leftists in the Dem party and worse…we are ostracized as not being really Republican. I think the founders are rolling their eyes at these phoney baloney Neocons
Typical Paulite attitude. If my pick doesn’t win, I’m going to take my toys and go home. LOL
Funny tex2, I was voted GOP Woman of the Year in my state for 2009. So yes I am a real GOPer and I know what its like to be a republican with a small r which is more important than being a republican with a big R. And I have been for the better part of 63 years.
Not only that I am considered the ‘mother of the Ron Paul revolution’.
What you are saying is he should have highlighted the part where he wasn’t going to let the ‘paulites’ take over. Well now if they were there in majority, which they were, then it’s the Romney bots who cried and had to take their toys and go home… because they couldn’t get their way due to being outnumbered.
Funny tex2, I was voted GOP Woman of the Year in my state for 2009. —> Who cares? I know I don’t. LOL
So yes I am a real GOPer and I know what its like to be a republican with a small r which is more important than being a republican with a big R. —> I am not familiar with your big R and little r code. LOL
And I have been for the better part of 63 years. —> Then you should be old enough to know better than support RP, and then some. LOL
Not only that I am considered the ‘mother of the Ron Paul revolution’. —> Thanks, now we know who to blame for this disaster of a candidate. LOL
What you are saying is he should have highlighted the part where he wasn’t going to let the ‘paulites’ take over. —> That’s right. LOL
Well now if they were there in majority, which they were, then it’s the Romney bots who cried and had to take their toys and go home… because they couldn’t get their way due to being outnumbered. —> My recollection is it was the Santorum people who were applying undo influence, but it could have been another caucus. Frankly, I don’t care, because it simply doesn’t matter any longer, Romney is virtually guaranteed the convention. LOL
@tex2 I am trying to understand this whole political stuff, it is very confusing to me. Can you please tell me what you mean by this statement, “If he was a legitimate candidate with legitimate positions…” I thought a person who was 35 years of age could run for president and if “you” were able to collect enough signatures from a state “you” could be put the ballot to be elected for the presidency? Legitimate means being in compliance with.. so if Paul is not in compliance please clarify so I can research. Also from my understanding the 3 candidates and the Chairman did not know the rules and Paul as well as Romney supporters were trying to explain the rules and they seem to be faulted for that, I am confused as to why. If I play a game and I don’t know all the rules whose fault is that? Seems to me it would be mine? Perhaps I am wrong. Any clarity is appreciated.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legitimate definition #4.
It isn’t clear from a short video what all the issues are, what happened before the meeting, what the actual rules are, etc., so I wouldn’t come to very many conclusions as a result.
You forgot “LOL”.
No I didn’t, I was waiting for the stupid Paulite comments, and I got them in spades! LOL
Tex2.. were you not educated about drunk posting?LOL LOL LOL LOL! ?? WTF Dude.. your so full of shit your hair, eyes and underwear stain are brown. You have no point here, and like the rest of the idiots who claim to be Republicans – your comments only embolden Ron Paul supports and prove why your candidates are part of the ongoing problem with the corruption, bad choices, and destruction of this great country of ours. Ron Paul supporters are real people, more real, more awake, higher IQ, more freedom loving, more honest, etc that you or your fellow cronies. You can name call just like the rest of the ‘supposed’ Republicans and Democrats but your not convincing anyone who matters of anything. Keep Running your mouth, belittling Ron Paul supporters and LOLLING… it is you my nonfriend who is the Joke and who will be laughed at in the end. I look forward to rubbing this in your face when it’s all over. And if you had 1/2 of a left nut, you’d not be here anonymously… if you had half a point, you’d not be here anonymously, if you had ANY CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER, you would not be here anonymously. Enjoy losing, I mean really – cherish it… Losing is all you will win at this year..
I can’t wait Rob. LOL
By the way, you are calling everyone else on this blog the same things by posting anonymously. Now there’s RP type teamwork in action! LOL
“Why didn’t you highlight the parts in the first video where the guy was obviously trying to allow all the candidates to be represented, and not allow the Paulites to take it over?”
Because what he is suggesting is illegal. In a caucus, the body makes the rules. And if there is a majority, they can win all their delegates. Every campaign there was going for winner-take-all. That is what they do. Even many states do this. The only reason he didn’t like that idea was because he was afraid of Ron Paul winning the caucus.
Please provide the detailed rules for this caucus, as well as all the decisions that were made before the meeting, then we can talk. LOL
Refer to the Missouri Republican Party Call to Convention 2012, as well as the party bylaws and constitution. We consulted a professional parliamentarian, who reviewed all the rules and assured us that what was done was illegal.
Where is their report?
“Allowing all candidates to be respresented” meant “brazely breaking the rules to prevent the majority from winning any delegates, in favor of delegates for our favorite candidate”. I really hope your post was in sarcasm. If you truly hold this position, the only rational explanation would be that you have Rush Limbaugh and/or Sean Hannity episodes hard-wired directly into your cranium, on repeat all day.
See above. LOL
However, I do like Rush Limbaugh a LOT, Sean is okay but repeats himself a lot, just like you Paulites. LOL
If you have a majority at a caucus, you can make the rules. That’s how a caucus works. If you have 80% of the attendees, and the GOP tries to throw out all of YOUR vote, how is that “trying to allow all the candidates to be represented”? If a candidate doesn’t deserve to be represented, then maybe you should be supporting a BETTER CANDIDATE who actually stands for something and ignites people who actually want small government.
See above. LOL
The way to prevent the Paulites from “taking over” is for supporters of opposing candidates to show up at the caucus and vote. Instead the above video highlights that Mr. Spencer wanted to nullify the wishes of the attendees, and impose his will on the majority.
There was rancor and shouting at the caucus because of the disregard of the rules by Mr Dokes, in retrospect working in conjunction with Mr Spencer.
See above. LOL LOL
No. The more I use “LOL” the more I laugh out loud. LOL
@tex2 You said that Paulites mustn’t be real Republicans… Thank you! Thank you SO much for taking notice! This is what I’ve been ranting about for so long, and no one seems to understand… We’re NOT “Republicrats”, we’re true, traditional conservatives. Of course I’m not going to support a nominee who goes against everything I stand for and believe. Whateber happened to principle? Oh yeah, the idea of selling-out…The simple answer, for you, is to call us “crazy”, “nuts”, or something of the like, rather than address “legitimate” issues. In order to save my generation, I am going to support the only candidate who is actually going to give it a try, and that’s Dr. Ron Paul. Newt Obamney and Slippery Santorum may as well run on the same ticket with Obama, there isn’t much of a difference. Shame on YOU for promoting the typical establishment rhetoric that is plaguing this country. Shame on YOU for being blind and disregarding the only hope the GOP has this fall. Shame on YOU for believing that people like Newt Obamney and Slippery Santorum can actually pull-off a win against Obama. And finally, shame on YOU for being in league with the media’s establishment message…
You are NOT true, traditional conservatives, you are libertarians. Shame on YOU for supporting someone who has been in Congress for 2 decades but hasn’t initiated a SINGLE bill of any consequence that was passed. If he can’t lead as a Congress person, how in the world do you expect him to lead and be a good president? Shame on YOU for supporting someone who has a dangerous foreign policy. And finally, shame on YOU for being so stupid!!! LOL
@tex2 That was the response that I was predicting… But, please, before your high horse grows so tall that it falls over, consider this: look into the meaning behind traditional liberalism and true American conservatism. If you do so, you will notice that you will be looking into the ideologies of the founders of this Nation; principles which the so-called “conservative” “republicans” are supposed to be upholding… You tell me which candidate is reflecting those views in this race. When you do, you may surprise yourself. Also, Libertarianism and traditional conservatism are practically one in the same. Please, don’t feel so enlightened, learning is a part of everyday life. Just consider what these other citizens have to say.
Also, I hear that if you use “LOL” very frequently, the more right you are.
Conor,
Where’s your prediction? I can’t find it. LOL
The founders lived in the 1700s. The world has changed – except for Paulites – an example is 9/11.
All 3 of the other candidates are reflecting these views, some more, some less. But NONE of them have the dangerous foreign policy Ron Paul promotes. I’m conservative, but conservative vs. liberal has no meaning if you’re DEAD.
Thank God for the cast iron balls and bulldoggedness of the champion of the constitution, Ron Paul. He is a true leader, and when he goes to gloryland, the founding fathers will all stand, and beat their chests, and salute him for keeping his oath of office, reaffirming that their costly sacrifice for liberty and rule of law, sound money, and foreign policy of nonintervention, the bill of rights, was appreciated and stood on
by a man of integrity.
I think the founding fathers will call him an idiot, because PR acts as if the world hasn’t changed since the 1700s. LOL
Those parts didn’t need to be highlighted because they stood out all on their own, for their departure from the true purpose of a convention. The chairman AND the rules AND the delegates are to be chosen by the convention goers. Otherwise they serve no purpose except to rubber stamp the deals cut behind closed doors by party operatives. This is the genesis of corruption and transparency is the only cure.
Dokes admist the GOP will do anything to keep the ‘libertarians’ out. We are NOT libertarians we are the true GOP.
Beside misspelling “admits” RP is NOT Republican, he is a RINO, although a different species than most. LOL
I agree. These guys were just trying to ignore enough of the votes for the person in second place to win. It wouldn’t be fair if the guy that everyone voted for ran away with the election. Having a clear majority of the support at a meeting is, by definition, terrorism. The Ron Paul supporters should be held without trial as terrorists.
They’re not terrorists, they are nutjobs. No trial necessary, but some “hospitalization” with Jack’s “friends” is recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSyJgydTsA LOL
I think it IS interesting how the chairman indicated the Paulite reps didn’t attend the meetings before the caucus, but then tried to take over at the meeting, ALONG WITH ATTENDEES FROM THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN!!! LOL
He also wanted to ensure the will of the county was represented, and this is a very good argument to let the people vote instead of individuals distorting their candidate’s support.
Then tell us why Dokes resorted to ignoring the majority when they cast an orderly vote for chairman? Any time the party structure decides ahead of time, who’s supposed to win, they’ve highjacked the convention. If the convention merely echoes any previous straw poll, it is purely redundant.
Just because another candidate can’t inspire attendance at a convention is no reason to declare him illegitimate.
Were those delegates not of St. Charles County? If they were, and they showed up to vote, then they were the will of the County.
This guy admits the GOP will do anything to keep out libertarians, trouble is, we are NOT libertarians, we are GOP, just like they are. We are supporting a true conservative.
See above. LOL LOL LOL
@ TEX. because that is AGAINST THE RULES THE GOP HAS. understand? they essentially broke their own rules. the beauty contest you see on tv and the so called “winner” mean nothing. on top of it meaning nothng, there is evidence of election fraud that in my eyes negates the “winners” of those beaity contests anyway. this is really a fight for delegates. paul’s people taking over a caucus is what they are SUPPOSED to do. it’s strategy. this is clear election fraud on the gop’s part and it’s live on video!!! sweet!
also…him saying “We don’t want people to see what actually goes on at the caucus”… is called criminal intent.
also TEX… you said….
“Why didn’t you highlight the parts in the first video where the guy was obviously trying to allow all the candidates to be represented, and not allow the Paulites to take it over?”
that is not up to that man. or the gop….but the people at the caucus to decide.
See above. LOL LOL LOL LOL
I don’t see how anyone can try and rationalize this. These events are for people to show up and try to be a delegate for their candidate. You seem to blame Ron Paul’s strong support as taking over somehow…
All that is happening is there are more people that really support “Ron Paul” than anyone else at most of these events. If any of the other candidates had enough supporters to control the caucus there would likely be no issue, but seeing as the majority supports Ron Paul, it’s a problem…
As for your comment on the video, can you please explain how he was trying to “allow all the candidates to be represented”? I didn’t see where anything was allowed to occur except a seemingly corrupt disregard for the rules and completely ignoring the body of the caucus. Word is that far more than just Ron Paul supporters were upset with the actions and were protesting as well.
That’s because it IS an attempted takeover. Ron Paul is trying to game the system, and the system needs to be changed. I favor elections.
As for your video question, see above. I already answered it. LOL
How do you “takeover” an election by having a majority? By definition, that’s how an election works. How is it “gaming the system” to follow the rules and have people vote?
“He also wanted to ensure the will of the county was represented…” There is no such thing as “the county” and such a fictional entity certainly doesn’t have a will. There are only individuals present in that geographical area, and the rules of the party say that delegate selection happens through a particular process at a particular place and time. If the individuals who wish to take part in that process don’t bother to show up, then they aren’t expressing their will. The outcome of a straw poll has nothing to do with it.
It’s not an election, it’s a caucus. Or it was supposed to be one….LOL
I live in a county, what planet are you from? LOL
It is VERY telling that RP is no longer campaigning in non-caucus states. The reasons are he doesn’t have enough money, because he doesn’t have enough followers. LOL
The radio interviewee clearly stated the RP people weren’t showing up at the meetings before the caucus, and then they wanted to take over the day of the caucus. You simply don’t understand the process. LOL
“It’s not an election, it’s a caucus.”
And the first thing you do at a caucus is elect a chairman. Are you unfamiliar with the process?
“It is VERY telling that RP is no longer campaigning in non-caucus states. The reasons are he doesn’t have enough money, because he doesn’t have enough followers.”
The Ron Paul campaign has rarely spent money on non-caucus states. Why bother? They are money-spending contests.
It’s telling that you refer to supporters of a candidate as “followers.”
“The radio interviewee clearly stated the RP people weren’t showing up at the meetings before the caucus…”
Of course. Nothing important happened at the meetings before the caucus. That’s what a caucus is for.
“…and then they wanted to take over the day of the caucus.”
Again, how do you “take over” a voting meeting by having a majority presence? That’s not a “take over.” That IS the process.
“You simply don’t understand the process.”
Really? You can make that assertion, but you’ve stated repeatedly that a caucus isn’t an election when an election is the very first thing that a caucus does. You’ve claimed that having a majority at an open meeting is a “take over” which it isn’t, any more than a bus full of kids stopping at a McDonald’s is a “take over.” And you’ve claimed that what matters is that many of those people didn’t attend other local party meetings, even those there are no rules whatsoever that require prior attendance, and the majority of the OTHER people at the caucus also didn’t attend prior meetings.
Have you ever watched a comedian that laughs at his own jokes? They a painful disgrace. I just ask because you apparently feel the need to add “LOL” to the end of every sentence as if it were punctuation.
@ sector7, thank you for trying to spread some sense around here… It’s hard to observe this blatant ignorance, but there is hope yet…
By the way, tex2, you said that you favor elections… This is something that I find humorous… You are saying that it is okay for the media to cram a joke like Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum down our throats, but completely ignore Ron Paul when he’s blowing their polls out of the water… But, it’s unacceptable when he simply has the most fervent support in these caucus states and his delegates win the majorities due to a system that was put in place for a reason? I’m sorry that Newt Obamney and Slippery Santorum don’t arouse so much passion…
Caucuses have different rules in every state. YOU assume too much how they work, particularly the meetings held before the final caucus meeting. IDIOT. Are you unfamiliar with the process? Never mind, I’ll answer. YES. LOL
Rick Santorum would not agree with your spending contest comment. How stupid can you be? Please, go on. LOL
I’m so glad you think all you have to do is show up for the caucus. LOL
Since it didn’t work out, it is obvious YOU don’t understand the process. LOL
When I used the word “election” I was referring to taking a popular vote, as many states do, rather than a caucus. Are you still trying to convince me you’re this stupid? Don’t worry, I was convinced a LONG time ago! LOL
The “LOL” isn’t punctuation, it is what I am ACTUALLY doing as I type these words! LOL
Ron Paul has turned down a LOT of interview and debate opportunities, so don’t try the “ignore” BS on me. RP has NEVER done well in polls. You’re a LIAR. LOL
By the way, passion doesn’t win elections. Votes do. You may want to let your fellow Paulites know. LOL
Conor,
I’ll fix your typo. Here’s the correction:
@ tex2, thank you for trying to spread some sense around here… It’s hard to observe this blatant ignorance, but there is hope yet…LOL
@ tex2:
Did you actually watch the video from the caucus? The temp chair only accepted the nomination of his hand-picked candidate for the permanent chair and ignored the nomination of Brent Stafford over protests from the assembly, then declared his hand-picked candidate the winner. You call that “allowing all the candidates to be represented”? Those are the kind of tactics employed in a banana republic or the old Soviet Union.
Yes, I did watch the video. See above for answers to your other stupid questions. LOL
“We don’t want people to see what actually goes into the caucuses.”
This quote is not accurate. He said “sausage”, not caucuses.
Point? LOL
@tex2 I am trying to understand this whole political stuff, it is very confusing to me. Can you please tell me what you mean by this statement, “If he was a legitimate candidate with legitimate positions…” I thought a person who was 35 years of age could run for president and if “you” were able to collect enough signatures from a state “you” could be put the ballot to be elected for the presidency? Legitimate means being in compliance with.. so if Paul is not in compliance please clarify so I can research. Also from my understanding the 3 candidates and the Chairman did not know the rules and Paul as well as Romney supporters were trying to explain the rules and they seem to be faulted for that, I am confused as to why. If I play a game and I don’t know all the rules whose fault is that? Seems to me it would be mine? Perhaps I am wrong. Any clarity is appreciated.
I answered your question, above. LOL
Tex2 and Chuck, why don’t you highlight the fact that the guy is talking specifically about BREAKING THE RULES!!!
He probably didn’t even know he was being recorded!!
Why in the hell should “approved media” be able to record events but not individuals?
You guys seriously need to pull your heads out!
Ron Paul is going to gain TONS and TONS from all of this FRAUD!!!
HooDeeHoo!
On the radio interview, he admitted he was given bad advice. That doesn’t mean Ron Paul isn’t a nutjob. To think otherwise qualifies you to spend some time with Jack, see above. LOL
I’m in favor of the meeting being more open, it exposes Ron Paul’s nutty followers even more, if that’s possible! LOL
Thank you, Doug.
How in the world can you get on the internet from the psycho ward? LOL
Tex2-lol
It wasn’t highlighted because it didn’t happen.
The problem is it is IN the video! LOL
Amazing post Doug! It’s time for the extreme bias against Ron Paul by the establishment and the MSM to be exposed.
Do you bunk with Dave (see above)? LOL LOL
This whole thing pisses me off!
Me too! LOL
Do you bunk with Dave (see above)? LOL
@Tex2 last comment for me, you have not answered anyone’s questions nor have you given any facts. You state opinions which you are entitled to. I have realized you are uneducated on the process. If you want the process changed you need to get involved. Calling people names is not helping your arguments. You mimic MSM and that is in my opinion very sad. As has been stated, the Paul campaign did not make the GOP rules they just follow them and if following them to their advantage makes them boisterous (I choose not to use the actual word you used in your initial statement because you obviously do not know what that word means) then so be it! May the best candidate win! GO RON PAUL 2012!
Good riddance, Bonnie. I have answered ALL the questions, you just don’t like to hear the truth, which is a REQUIREMENT for RP followers. LOL
Folks why do you keep falling for this guy? He isn’t serious. He is just baiting you to frustrate you. Just ignore him and keeping working for Dr. Paul. The Paul campaign is playing by all the rules the GOP established and the GOP is getting nervous. Don’t worry. Just ignore his attempt to bait you and keep working.
Because Paulites can’t handle the issues. I AM serious, and RP is a serious threat to our survival. I’m not baiting anybody, the Paulites are putting themselves on the hook, casting it, and reeling themselves in! LOL
Yes, just ignore me, you’ll look less STUPID that way! LOL
Behaving like idiots is NOT following the intent of the rules. LOL
Don’t worry, RP won’t come anywhere near being elected! LOL
Keep working without engaging on the issues. Great idea…NOT! LOL
Chrispy? For real? Damn.. Laughing at everything does not make it a joke or add to your credibility dude.. for real.. you’ve so discounted your own reality and credibility with your posts here that I actually feel sorry for you.. I’m thinking your nose must be full of sand since your head is so buried upside down in it.. People who support Ron Paul (who you show your immaturity by belittling) know the issues VERY WELL… fact is its hard to actually support Ron Paul past all the trolls like you and the media without fully knowing the issues. It is the people with brains, who are awake, and who can think for themselves who support Ron Paul… You’ve done Zero research if you think your candidates are better – ZERO.. that is a fact, Jack(ass).. oh, and I almost forgot – LOL.. (your a turd dude.. glad I never really liked you in the first place)..
I don’t need credibility, I’m on a Ron Paul site, remember? LOL
By the way, is this guy a St. Louisan? Who knows where he is located. I am from/in St. Louis. Everyone here knows what a sham it was! Just keep supporting Dr. Paul.
No, he’s from Mars! LOL
tex2’s unrelenting comments reflect an unstable mindest, with malicious intent, bent on disrupting the American election process. You are walking a fine line, tex2, you should take some good advice and put a sock in it. It’s too late to stop the spread of Paul fever. You’ve already lost.
Ron Paul’s unrelenting multiple campaigns for president reflect an unstable mindset with malicious intent, bent on disrupting the American election process. LOL
You are walking a fine line, RP, you should take some good advice and keep talking so you will be fully exposed. LOL
It’s too late to START the spread of Paul fever. You’ve already lost. LOL
No my nonfriend… those are signs that are displayed by someone who believes in themselves, who has much support, and who doesn’t quit or give up… who has enough fight in them to prove they love this country.. you’re just an establishment troll with zero credibility but plenty of LOLs..
You call 6% of the Louisiana vote a “lot” of support? You’re just an IDIOT with zero credibility but plenty of stupid comments. LOL
You call 6% of the Louisiana vote “much support?” You’re just an IDIOT with zero credibility but plenty of stupid comments. LOL
Anyone who feels the need to make his point by calling those of us who disagree with him “Paulites” or other stupid names cannot be taken seriously or assumed to really understand the issues. The GOP is a political machine. They want things done their way or not at all. They want their chosen candidates to be elected and will go to any lengths to assure that. They hijack caucuses and change the rules to achieve their goals.
Ron Paul is the only real conservative in the bunch that are running for the Republican nomination. He understands true liberty and does not think that people are too stupid to govern and care for themselves. If any of these supposed conservatives who like to call us childish names would actually watch Ron Paul speeches that are available on Youtube, speeches and warnings he has been giving since the 1980’s, they might better understand his thinking. Instead, they label him as dangerous because they do not understand him or his mission. Maybe they are not mentally capable of understanding him or what is happening to our nation. Maybe they are too lazy to do the research. Whatever the cause, don’t let their infantile remarks and accusations distract you from your goal or your support of Ron Paul.
Or maybe we have an IQ above 50! LOL
This should be illegal if it’s not already… this should validate an investigation and charges. This is premeditated fraud. If Santorum has so many supporters who really know anything – and who give a shit.. let them show up to the caucus and win. I would completely 100% accept that with no quams whatsoever. Fact of the matter is, people who vote for Santorum don’t know shit, don’t really care, and won’t show up even if they knew they’d need to in order for him to win. That my friends, as far as I’m concerned – disqualifies their votes at caucus. Don’t like the rules? Change them legally, legitimately and honestly – without deception, without trying to start a riot, without fraud…. PERIOD.. and to Tex2 – ur an idiot.. LOL LOL LOL LOL ? Dummass..
I believe it’s time that we all just let tex2 live in his own fantasyland. That’d be safer for all of us. It is guaranteed to be a fruitless argument if ones tries to debate with him.
Yes, you need to protect your ignorance and naivety against facts and logic. THAT would be much “safer.” LOL
I would gladly debate the issues with ALL of you, including Doug Wead, any time you want. But I know you’re probably too scared. LOL
From what I’ve been reading, what you call “debating” is you saying” Oh, you’re stupid! That’s right! LOL!” You merely declare that you’re correct on all issues, no one else here seems to be correct, except for you, according to your standards. That is not a debate, it is a delusion. You’re deluding yourself. (P.S. Keep up on the “LOL”s)
As I expected, you’re chicken. LOL
I suspect there was a state GOP memo of sorts that advised the establishment folks and local Republican committees and temporary caucus chairs to railroad this thing. At my Missouri caucus in Miller county, there was a clear effort to prevent any other nominations for caucus chair. One person nominated the one they’d obviously previously chosen. There was a quick second and then an IMMEDIATE motion to end nominations. It wasn’t necessarily a breaking of rules, but obviously a preparedness against “the Ron Paul crowd.” Sadly, there wasn’t much of a Ron Paul crowd at this one – my wife and I were two of maybe four. Oh well – she and I still both managed to become delegates!
I more than suspect you’re an idiot.
Ad hominem. Time to be quiet.
In that video, Bryan Spencer bemoaned the fact the there used to be only 115 same old party establishment people attend those caucuses and now “1500” would come. They felt their little kingdom was being overran with all these “Paulites” popping up out of nowhere and usurping the loyal and faithful old guard republicans. They don’t realize, they’re part of the political machine that lost badly to Obama’s democrats. Events of the past 4 years have opened the eyes of a lot of Americans as to the role of government. And what better way than to have them come to the Republican tent to express themselves. These “new” “thinking” Republicans are no longer Zombie sheeple that will blindly follow what the GOP establishment tells them to do. The irresponsible decisions of the past decades have brought us to the brink of bankcruptcy and threaten the future of our children. It has woken up the Grown-Ups from their slumber and it is time to make Grown-Up decisions.
I am amused by the constant LOLs of the resident hick from Texas aka Tex2. Besides the obvious childish rant, he fits the perfect stereotype of a ChickenHawk Neocon who cheers on from the comfort of his living room as others kids die off in faroff lands resulting from useless wars such as Vietnam and Iraq. God knows we wasted 50K of our kids lives in Vietnam and 5k of them in Iraq.
This Chicken of a being, aka Tex2, despicable as he is, would dance on the graves of our dead soldiers and will relish while doing so.
Ignore the obvious retard ….. as we need not worry about a retard who fails to see the coming financial collapse brought about by costly warfare. Atleast we Ron paul supporters, can tell our kids, we tried our best to save this Republic, and our conscience is clear.
Well now @tex2, MO was won fair and square by Ron Paul because he had the majority. I’d say shutting down the caucus and having people arrested because your socialist candidate Romney wasn’t winning was rather childish and cranky. Romneybots are nutty anyway, we have had to deal with them a lot here in NH.
Vote YES :
BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !
Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!
No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!
Crucify him…..crucify him….. LOL
The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:
Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!
Vote YES :
BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !
Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!
No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!
Crucify him…..crucify him….. LOL
The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:
Why Ron Paul could be and/or would NOT be a good president:
1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!!
Here is another good one!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTreAmnmZ0)
send it!
also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
Vote to ban the #2 that pollutes this forum with its trolling.
So far the vote to BAN it — ‘tex2′ — is:
1) Surfisher
2) Sharon Kuhn
3) annebeck58
4) christopher Deligate of Missouri
5) donjusko
6) sharksauce24
7) sophiah8
8) rmcnnlly
9) BanTex2Al
10) Wendy Jones
11) Evan Godolphin
12) Remmic Lewis
13) Shane Mayfield
14) jeffrey bohl
To all true Americans:
Spread this video of the only American Patriot — Ron Paul — running in this race!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hgsg7a-Ok8Q#)
Then watch Mitt the Joke:
An EMPTY stadium with about a hundred sycophants only… mostly yawning.
Then see the THOUSANDS of REAL AMERICANS and their genuineness on Ron Paul’s rallies!
But the main media never shows this REALITY — so, are we to stand by and allow them to steal this Election away from us — when clearly the TRUE Americans have spoken?!
Spread this video!(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMVY5u9RuW8)
Here is another good one!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTreAmnmZ0)
send it!
also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
Hey! I’m HIGHLY paid. Get it right next time. LOL
By the way, that’s a stupid video! LOL
Send this video!
Romney=Twoface
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI7g&feature=player_embedded)
also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
Vote YES :
BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !
Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!
No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
a good one !
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTreAmnmZ0)
send it!
also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
To all Americans:
Spread this video of the only American Patriot — Ron Paul — running in this race!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hgsg7a-Ok8Q#)
also:
The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.
Rmoney — “Staff, get me some internet trolls to spew forth hatred towards my opponents.”
So they run this ad:
“Looking for 300+lb pimply failures that live in mum’s basement.
Must be hateful of all that’s good (since you hate yourself most because of the waste of protoplasm you’ve become); unable to crawl away from the computer, so mum gives you monthly sponge baths (also, occasionally removes the bedpan).
Why post your venomous spittings for free, when we’ll pay you handsomely to be our Shill — a fistful of food stamps and a bottle of hooch each week!”
That’s how the #2 got this “lucrative” job — why troll for free, when it can shill for so much more….
(hope I didn’t misspell ANYTHING important….)
“Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson could pull as much as 6% of the vote in a hypothetical three-way match-up with Mitt Romney and President Obama. Johnson began the 2012 race running for the Republican nomination but has wound up carrying the libertarian banner and could gain ballot access in several states.”
If the above transpires, it is a certainty that Mitt will not defeat BO (with his flip-flopping, he couldn’t defeat him anyway, now this would assure it).
So he needs to withdraw now in favor of Ron Paul!
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Ron Paul WILL become President in 2012 — IF, Romney becomes a Patriot, and forgoes his ego, for the Good of the People!
Mitt Romney could become one of the greatest Statesmen in US History! He’d be the Savior of our Nation — the one that generations to come would tell their children: “Look at this statue, this is Mitt Romney, he saved America”!
Or, he can reduce himself to just a tiny footnote…what is amazing is that his fate rests in his own hands (a very rare occurrence throughout the history of the world)!
All Romney has to do, is to take advantage of this rarest of historical moments, and make a SINGLE DECISION!!!
Withdraw his candidacy IN FAVOR of Ron Paul, with the following grandiose and heart-wrenching patriotic speech (to save his political skin):
“I, Mitt Romney, will sacrifice my political goals for the Good of the People. Now I understand that only Ron Paul that can save our Nation. I agree with all he stands for, therefore, I have deemed that our Nation’s salvation can only be accomplished when Ron Paul is elected as President of the United States of America. Without regret, but with joy, I do the most honorable and patriotic deed I can — I withdraw myself from this election, and give my full support to Ron Paul!”
One honest person is needed to bring these logical conclusions to Romney’s PERSONAL ATTENTION (not the myopic sycophants surrounding him and stroking his ego by chanting wishful thinking as ‘fact’: “You gonna win Boss, you gonna win Boss….).
Regardless how egotistical, arrogant and narcissistic Romney may be, some semblance of reasoning of what’s best for him, should still remain in his skull. The instinct for self preservation dictates that even the smallest of minds will chose the path that leads to safety, not the one leading to disaster.
An honest realist needs to talk to Romney one-on-one — and explain the following to him, so Mitt can comprehend it:
1) If you don’t win the nomination, than your political career is over (you’ll become just a tiny footnote in US History as a failure).
2) If you win the nomination, and don’t defeat Obama — which is the most probable outcome (you’ll become just a tiny footnote in US History as an even LARGER failure).
Therefore, Dear Mitt, whichever gamble you take from the above, may lead to total disaster for your political career (and probably will)!
However, here is an action you can take, Dear Mitt, that guarantees you’ll become immortalized in the annals of US History — becoming the 21st Century Savior of America (surely this carrot of success will entice Romney’s egotism to go for it — over the probable political beatings he’d receive otherwise)!
All one needs to do, to assure Mitt’s Historical Greatness of Sacrifice for the Good of the Nation, is to present the above to Romney’s eyes alone! I urge all able to do so, to place this document in front of him!
Send this to Mitt Romney — as an Open Letter, e-mails, etc. — the more you send, the greater the chance he’ll get to read it!
*Mitt Romney, American Parasite*
(Mitt Grosny — Romney The Terrible (my prefered title))
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31153.htm
It explains how Bain Capital worked. They would buy SUCCESSFUL companies, with little down, borrowed huge amounts, saddling them with crushing debt, refused to continue equipment purchases or maintenance. Then they would pay themselves huge “management” fees.
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Some notable excerpts:
“Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses,” notes Josh Kosman, who has written about the private equity business for 15 years. He’s “more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses.” (The host must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt, then slowly bled to death…until the parasites drain all the wealth for themselves).
“When Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. “He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers,” Kosman says. “They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan.” That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney’s first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn’t account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.
“The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, Morrow says. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers’ children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.”
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A must read (long) article recommended to all!
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Superb parody of a “debate” btw Rmoney and BO — SHARE IT!
(Note the exquisite sardonic touch — only one person is watching the two puppets….LOL!)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vWVdOTFs8M&feature=player_embedded)
Ron Paul to WIN — or America to End 2012
Nobody is watching RIP. LOL
But keep giving ALL your money to RIP’s campaign. LOL
Prize winning photo for Ron Paul’s campaign — A Gem!
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