You’re Next: Ron Paul’s warning

 

If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest
of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”

– Cardinal Richelieu

This morning Congressman Ron Paul is at his wife’s side at a Houston hospital.  We hope all will go well and she will be released soon to help take up the “campaign for liberty.”  As she recovers, it may be a good time to reflect on Ron Paul’s most important issue, the right of privacy and the right of citizens to live without an obtrusive, omnipresent, ever watching and listening government.

Conservative Republicans used to be the guardians of this principle. Now they lead the attack. In recent years liberal Democrats have argued for this kind of privacy but not anymore.  And the media was always vigilant about it but not now.  Now we all tell each other, Republican and Democrat alike, that, “If you don’t have anything to hide, why should you be afraid?”  Let the government read your e-mails and listen to your phone calls.  If they can catch a terrorist what is that compared to losing a little of your privacy?”

The problem is that the prisons are full of men and women who have been railroaded.  This has been demonstrated in a shocking way by modern DNA, which has identified many innocent men serving prison time for murder and rape.  But there is no equivalent bookkeeping DNA to clear the innocent white collar convicts, whose prosecutors are just as certain that they have their man or woman.  Surely, some of those are also innocent.

When a Secret Service agent saw Michael Reagan, the president’s son, return an item in a store, he misunderstood and thought he was shoplifting.  Gossip of the young Reagan’s kleptomania spread through the Service and in time reached the President’s ears.  For more than two years the President believed his own Secret Service and not his son, until the facts finally cleared him.

If the President’s son can be misunderstood, so can you and me.  One word spoken in jest over the telephone or out of context in a series of e-mails can trigger the audit that makes you the focus of attention.  And once you are the focus, everything else they see and hear may only affirm their suspicion. 

Sometimes this is the work of corrupt officials who, once begun, don’t want their investment in time and money wasted.  It could jeopardize their career. That’s why they focused so long and hard at the wrong man in the Atlanta Olympic bombing and later the Anthrax mailings.  But other times it is only the process, nothing personal.  You were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Of course, all of us would allow for court ordered surveillance of know terrorists.  And all of us want suspected terrorists blocked from entering the country.  But when the net is cast wide, as in hundreds of thousands of phone calls and e-mails, well, we might as well be in China.

Stories came to me by the box full during my time in the White House.  A grandmother in Alaska who lost her fishing boat to the government because they found a joint of marijuana on it.  And the government official – who participated in the raid – later buying the boat at government auction.  Neat huh?

Of course, this has gone on all over the world for generations.  It is why Jesus advises to settle a dispute quickly, lest you find yourself in prison.  He makes no comment on your guilt or innocence.  It is only good, general advice about process.

This is why the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written.  The founding fathers were not protecting criminals.  They were protecting us, from an intrusive, sometimes clumsy, sometimes evil government.  We are now forfeiting those hard earned, well reasoned, personal liberties out of panic.

What is particularly interesting is how this ongoing American process is being watched with alarm from other countries.  In Europe, for example, the left and the right and the noble and the commoner have routinely been arrested and imprisoned for political or personal reasons.  Journalists, on the take, would write defaming articles to generate the appropriate outrage and then some ideologue or corrupt judge would give the ruling.  Sometimes you could lose your liberty because you argued with the wrong person over a parking place.  “Don’t you know who I am?”  But in France, even heads of television networks and newspaper chains and big businesses were run in and out of prison when the left-right political battles got fierce. 

America’s justice and journalistic community are almost pure by comparison.  Occasionally you will see a conglomerate order one of its magazines to do a cover story on a motion picture produced by one of its subsidiaries.  But usually, the media is not for sale.  And you don’t see people thrown in jail over political or personal views. 

So it is a bit touching and astonishing, to see Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Italy and other countries fighting for the rights of their citizens caught in the American snare.  They are amazed at this ongoing process in our country.  They, who have suffered outrageous injustices for centuries, or seen it manipulated by the nobility, are now shocked by our own self inspired, dismantling of our own system of justice.

Ron Paul has written “history demonstrates that the powers we give the federal government today will remain in place indefinitely. How sure are we that future presidents won’t abuse those powers?”

Remember Cardinal Richelieu?  He was the grey imminence in The Three Musketeers.  Only he really existed.  He ruled with power in the 17th century at the First Minister to Louis XIII.  His famous quote is a colorful variation of the modern cliche that “if the government wants you, it will get you.” Guilt or innocence are not even factors. “If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men I will find something in them which will hang him.”

“Well,” you say, “But I’m innocent.”  Yeah, so was Jesus, the apostle Paul, John Bunyan, Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandella.  Good luck.  We will send postcards.

65 Responses to You’re Next: Ron Paul’s warning

  1. David Black says:

    I’m sure you have a closet full of tin foil hats.

    Real conservatives are the only people that will stop at nothing to stop vicious criminal activity like Islamo-fascist terrorism.

    Our enemies do not play by the rules. You cannot defeat this type of people by playing by the rules. To defeat a brutal enemy you must meet or exceed their level of brutality, otherwise, you will lose.

    That’s far worse an alternative than any possibility that your stupid little emails are being read.

  2. cbsure says:

    Doug,

    I appreciate your point of view.

    It’s always nice to hear people defining the “conservative” in America as defending the Constitution, the foundation for this nation. A true American knows that our government is designed to be a republic. Therefore, the rule of law is to be upheld even while we are out catching & bringing to trial the evil-doers.

    I think I do understand why we are so willing to throw away our liberties per the Constitution to catch criminals (no matter how vicious). The terrorists succeeded to scare the bajesus out of us. Which is sad because America is the greatest military might ever to exist. Like a rat scaring an elephant, the terrorist did at least that much right.

    Too many of our citizens either don’t understand or take for granted the essence of our Constitution. We could blame the Department of Education (like a real “conservative”). Or…we should just blame ourselves.

  3. Scope says:

    Man on the streets are mostly idiots…
    …and Man not on the streets are usually smart alecs cons and cheats…

    How to understand Man?

    Every man wants to be saint to other man by being a fucking demon… painting hell into heaven…

    Umm… …

  4. There seem to be a lot of factors at work in the docility of Americans toward all this surveillance. Perhaps some of it has to do with the idea that times are different so therefore we can’t be hampered by some 200-year-old document. But maybe this absurdity survives because of a far more naive notion: the idea that the government might get someone else, but it won’t get me. Finally there is the fantasy-land notion of “safety and security.” Anyone who’s spent much time pondering the way the world works in general knows that these really don’t exist, so it is a terrible idea to give up liberty in exchange for it.

  5. libertyblonde says:

    Ahh.. IS this a satire? What brutal enemy?

    The enemy is winning by our civil liberties being taken away. Why do you think America is and has been such a great place to live for so long?

    Ah because the people have their freedom’s intact.

    Your email blows me away.

    A famous quote “People should not be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of their people. ”

    If you give government complete control it is only a matter of time for them to abuse powers such as privacy.

  6. John Feeney says:

    The balancing act is hard.

    Out of fear, we inadvertently give up inherent rights, only to be told their not inherent. Our only current solution to evil government is not granting any power and in effect rendering them useless.

    Protecting against the possibility the wrong person would take advantage of executive power is nothing new. Over the past 50 years we’ve seen numerous examples. What is alarming, the malfunction of our 3 prong system. Executive pushes the envelope, congress blindly turns it head in denial, with full knowledge mind you, Justice Dept plows through with reckless intent, or refusing to hear the compliant in fear of having to make a decision without the other two either being caught or accepting responsibility.

    Regardless who may get elected, getting these 3 bodies working in harmony or some form of agreed alignment is not possible. Neither party’s (more than 3) has even slightly demostrated their elected position could bring this run-away thought train to some slower pace so we don’t put any one person in a position to make the grave mistake.

  7. poreagus says:

    Thomas Jefferson said “Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have …. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases” We need to fight against the growth of government. We have the greatest county in the history of the world. Not because any great feat of the government, but because the government was setup to give people a chance to prosper. Government is the problem not the solution. Look what there policies have done to the real estate and energy markets. I don’t understand why people are so willing to give up there freedoms. We need more politicians like Ron Paul that are more interested in the people than there own power and political career.

  8. David Black says:

    Can you Constitutionists cite any quotes to support your agenda that doesn’t come from the 18th century.

    Government grow in response to needs. The government is NOT the problem with the real estate market. It’s about people being too stupid to live within their means and foolishly taking on sub prime loans they could never handle in the long run.

    I blame certain tree hugger friendly pols over the energy policy. We could have been drilling for years. We have enough shale oil in the West for decades to come. We have ANWR, the list goes on.

    If Ron Paul is NEVER going to assume a position beyond where he is now, so stop. Invest your time in WINNING stock, not losing stock.

    I hope people like you don’t play the stock market. You’d lose your shirts.

  9. idomnu says:

    David,

    From your first post:
    “Our enemies do not play by the rules. You cannot defeat this type of people by playing by the rules. To defeat a brutal enemy you must meet or exceed their level of brutality, otherwise, you will lose.”

    That is an absurd and childish argument. Ceasing to play by “the rules” (i.e. the protection of INALIENABLE rights) removes any justification for defending the liberty we enjoy; “the rules” ARE that liberty. You don’t define your terms for victory, but only by understanding winning as reaching a mindless collectivism fueled by non-specific fear of “the enemy” does your assertion make any sense.

    From your second post:
    “The government is NOT the problem with the real estate market. It’s about people being too stupid to live within their means and foolishly taking on sub prime loans they could never handle in the long run.”

    On the contrary, government policy is very much responsible for the real estate mess. I’ll grant that many people foolishly took on sub prime loans. However, in a healthy market (i.e. one undistorted by regulation) they would not have been able to, as the loans would not have been offered to them. Interest rates, artificially lowered by the Federal Reserve, coupled with legislation which encouraged or required loans to disadvantaged (un-creditworthy) applicants caused banks to finance a great many mortgages that they would have otherwise denied. Without government intervention, many fewer people would have been able to buy homes. The housing bubble formed because those in power felt that people should become homeowners if they wanted to. The bubble popped because that notion, however noble, simply did not align with reality.

  10. David Black says:

    What makes America great? The freedom to make as much money as you can and not have it taken away automatically as a tribute to any leader.

    Your “freedoms” do you no good if medieval savages are permitted to overrun our country and the lands belonging to our trusted allies who do not welcome Islamo-fascism.

    The free market econ system is what makes the American way worth preserving at all cost. I would not remain in this country if I could not invest and earn capital in an unrestrained fashion..

    The difference between you and me is that you’d rather blame those in power than the lumpen proletariat that suckered for the sweet deals that any truly smart person would have avoided.

    Preying on the weak and stupid is as old as the hills. That will never change.

    The difference between you and me is that I don’t share your positive regard for our fellow man. I am a true believer in survival of the fittest. if you aren’t intelligent enough to be suspicious and mistrusting of most everyone and everything in your pursuit of propserity, then you deserve whatever foul fate than awaits.

  11. hktelemacher says:

    “The difference between you and me is that I don’t share your positive regard for our fellow man.”

    You have it exactly wrong.

    A libertarian has a positive regard for their fellow man in the free market, but is distrustful of government. You are the one arguing that government should have as much power as it wants to protect the free market. You are the one who is apparently trusting of anything the government does. The government has proven unreliable and inefficient in pretty much everything it does, and everything it touches, and often is corrupt/for sale to boot.

    While that may be ok for you as long as the government protects the interests you consider to be important, what happens when it is not? That is the problem with massive, centralized government power–great for you if you are part of a protected or favored group. Not so much if you are not.

    “Your “freedoms” do you no good if medieval savages are permitted to overrun our country and the lands belonging to our trusted allies who do not welcome Islamo-fascism.”

    You don’t have to give up civil liberties to protect national security.

    “The free market econ system is what makes the American way worth preserving at all cost. I would not remain in this country if I could not invest and earn capital in an unrestrained fashion.”

    I guess you won’t mind the massive new taxes you’ll be paying for the social programs proposed by *both* major party candidates, as well as increased taxes to pay for the “War on Terror”. You *are* paying tribute to our leaders, in the form of taxes that fuel their pet programs and wars.

    Beyond that, a belief in their fellow man and a distrust of government power was integral to the brilliant men who created this country. I guess you’re just oh-so-much smarter than Thomas Jefferson. If being so self-deluded hadn’t turned you into such an assmunch, I’d be tempted to feel sorry for you.

  12. cbsure says:

    The freedom to make as much money as you can & not have it taken away automatically is a freedom we all can admire.

    Damn the income tax!

  13. David Black says:

    “The government has proven unreliable and inefficient in pretty much everything it does, and everything it touches, and often is corrupt/for sale to boot.”

    Here’s my recommendation for you malcontents who think the government has an obligation to comport to your exact desires.

    Elect the leaders you believe reflect your particular wants.

    Failing that, run for office yourself and change what you think is wrong if you think you know better.

    Failing that, leave this country and move elsewhere if things don’t suit you.

    Spend a few years in Cuba eating boiled grapefruit rinds and learn how to be appreciative of what you have here.

    I would much rather have money spent on national defense than having that money flushed down the toilet enabling poor people who don’t have the intelligence to survive by their own wits.

    I am smarter than Thomas Jefferson, smart enough to know that it would be criminally wrong to father children outside of marriage and especially with an African slave.

    If you can’t figure out how to pay the bare minumum in taxes then you deserve to see much of your earnings being taken away.

    As for taxes, I’m voting for John McCain, not a socialist/collectivist stooge like Martin Luther Kennedy.

  14. hktelemacher says:

    “I am smarter than Thomas Jefferson”

    Game. Set. Match.

  15. spkrman says:

    hk, don’t waste your time. anyone can recognize the fascist voice trolling when they see it. Mr.”suspicious and mistrusting of most everyone and everything in your pursuit of propserity” will never understand that great things are only accomplished through free, uncoerced cooperation between individuals. Quit baiting him, his hate is all he has. Remember that both fascism and socialism are next to each other on the scale of collectivism. If we had a free market, things might be different, but our over regulated, corporatist system bears little resemblance to a “free market”.

  16. David Black says:

    Well, you can create any meaning that suits your agenda when you quote out of context, jackass.

  17. cbsure says:

    1. Elect who you believe in.

    2. Run for office yourself.

    3. Abandon this nation & let it rot.

    …& 4. Stay & try again.

    That’s the best part about America. Elections just keep on coming!

    Spread your ideas & if they are worth a damn they will catch fire. Form a base for the next election. Maybe even enlighten & inspire someone else to stand up & run. Which comes in real handy when you’re as old as Ron. (1 year older than McCain…almost to the day!)

    There is another option:

    5. Just do it yourself.

    All political solutions are funded by an involuntary source of income…so when something doesn’t work…like I don’t know…Social Security?…it takes too long to fix it…if ever. The problem is politicians get paid anyway. Some things don’t work but the money keeps rolling in…so where’s the big hurry to fix stuff? & Then okay…you screwed us…so we don’t vote for you…& then you’re like, ‘Great! It’s not my problem anymore! ‘

    The private sector is where the real solutions are made. When people believe they have real solutions they should find a way to make them affordable & then let the market decide. It’s a hell of a risk. But if it’s worth a damn…you could hit the jackpot!

    Unless the government finds a way to screw you…too.

  18. John Feeney says:

    This is the 5th blog in a row, is there a rise in German commentary bloggers that’s sole purpose is to disrupt for a small period of time.

    And wonder why people here push the envelop…

  19. David Black says:

    ” If we had a free market, things might be different, but our over regulated, corporatist system bears little resemblance to a “free market”.”

    Uh, spkrman, we do have a free market system, it’s just that from gauging the tenor of your post, it seems as if you haven’t been able to reap the rewards that arrive from playing it.

    That’s tough luck for you, pal.

  20. cbsure says:

    Making money from the markets is one thing. But we got to call it like it is. Our government interferes w/ the markets. That’s a fact.

    We have sugar quotas for god’s sake! Our government upholds a limit to how much sugar imports into the Land of the Free since 1982. Sugar prices in America goes up (supply lower than demand ) & (2) years later Coca-cola & Pepsi switch to high fructose corn syrup. Almost every soft drink today has it. Which is all fine & dandy…except today foreigners get off the plane & they’re like: ‘Thank God plane no blow up…but why you so fat?!’ Seriously…HFCS is toxic.

    Whatever…we could all use the exercise.

    But here’s a bitch:

    HMO’s existed in the 1960’s…& looked to be going out of business…but then the government passes the HMO Act of 1973, mandating all but the smallest businesses to offer HMO’s to their employees. Their market reach is increased…extinction averted.

    Now medical prices have soared because there is no incentive to negotiate prices. Doctors charge the maximum & order as many tests as allowed by the HMO’s. Hard to blame them b/c the HMO’s will be ready to sue if there’s a hint they did something wrong.

    & You can god damn bet the pharmaceuticals are doing their best to get a piece of the government pie. Medicare not allowed to negotiate prices?

    Free market my ass.

    Hey, DB. If you’ve succeeded to cash in on our markets, God bless you.

    But god damn it man…our markets are still profitable…but our markets aren’t free… just like every other country. Except we are not suppose to be like everybody else.

    This is America…the Land of the Free!

    God damn it.

  21. hktelemacher says:

    “Uh, spkrman, we do have a free market system”

    Does this level of economic knowledge surprise anyone coming from someone who said he is smarter than Thomas Jefferson?

  22. David Black says:

    cbsure: sounds like a reach to condemn the free market system based on sugar tariffs.

    As for HMOs, not everyone is a participant in them (including myself), so again, you’re grabbing at straws.

    I really despise populist whining about how aspects of the government or the free market doesn’t suit their individual preferences.

  23. David Black says:

    I am smarter than Thomas Jefferson because I would never be that dumb and degenerate to cheat on my wife and father multiple children outside of marriage.

    If you don’t see self-control and respect for yourself and your marriage, then you are as dumb as Thomas Jefferson.

    I judge people based on what they do in private, not what they do in public.

  24. cbsure says:

    We know you’re the smartest DB. Let’s face it…you make these comments so fun to watch! I wish every blog would have their own Eeyore! Too many of us hang with the like-minded! We need the whole cast! So let me ask you something: Where’s Piglet?

    Ron Paul is just a Representative of a puny little district on the coast of Texas. He’s basically…a nobody..trying to go up against Senators like McCain, Obama, & the wife of Monica’s ex-boyfriend? Paulites are the underdogs! & That’s why Doug is taking notice…& that’s why you’re here! You got to shape them up & make them strong as the neo-cons! They’re no match for them now…they’re up but not out of bed! You’re their Apollo & Mr. T & the Russian machine…all rolled up in one! God damn it…w/ your passion…you could make them President!

    So you dont’ understand the meaning of ‘free markets’? That’s exactly the problem of America.

    So you’re peeing in your pants b/c terrorists pulled off 9/11? That’s exactly the problem of America.

    Those hijackers were from Saudia Arabia…we went to Afghanistan. Now Iraq. & Os’ is hiding in Pakistan. That’s American geograhy!

    That bearded-son-of-gun made videos…& they’re grueling to watch…I mean HD quality at least man! & If the translations are worth a bull…he basically tells us why he hates us. We got military bases on their holy land! We got over 700 military bases in 130 countries…Saudia Arabia is one of them. # of foreign bases on American soil: zero.

    But we should be the first people to understand! They said ‘Screw the law & screw their government…we’re going to grab the bull by the balls!’ Just like the Americans 200 years ago…tarring & feathering adversaries to death…shooting people in the back…hiding behind trees…& the Americans fought & we won our independence & the British bastards tried again & we won again!

    Have you taken a look at the mirror lately? We are the British Empire version 2.0!

    So MAN up! It’s your show DB! B/c God knows…I’m just a Tigger.

  25. hktelemacher says:

    “I judge people based on what they do in private, not what they do in public.”

    I guess you don’t know crap about anything then, because 98%+ of the time you *dont* actually know what happens in someone’s private life, and the other <2% of the time where you actually do hear the truth, you can’t know for certain because of the other 98%+.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson#Sally_Hemings_controversy

    So let’s see, you don’t know anything about economics (by stating we have a free market economic system in the U.S. and ignoring the vast and variety of ways that our government interferes with the free market) or, apparently, Thomas Jefferson (by stating unequivocally that he fathered children outside of marriage and judging him based on that when there is still considerable controversy).

    At least you can say you’re arrogant. So, you’ve still got that going for you.

  26. hktelemacher says:

    “e basically tells us why he hates us. We got military bases on their holy land! We got over 700 military bases in 130 countries…Saudia Arabia is one of them. # of foreign bases on American soil: zero.”

    It never ceases to amaze me how many don’t know this, or deny it.

  27. David Black says:

    By the way, what I know about the free market system, hktelemacher, is that since 1940 the free market system in the United States of America has served my family very very well.

    What more do I need to know? Excuse me for not shedding a tear for those who didn’t have the breaks go their way regarding the free market system in the USA.

  28. hktelemacher says:

    What you need to know, and apparently you do not, is that a free market system is something that government does not interfere with. Think about how many businesses the EPA or OSHA touches. Think about the various industries that receive tax breaks and subsidies–for example, there are many bio products that can be used to make ethanol, but corn receives the bulk of the money. That is a free market distortion, caused by the government. Minimum wage is another example–there are thousands upon thousands of examples at the local, state and federal level. Medicare/Medicaid. Public schools. Sarbanes-Oxley!! (*shudder*) etc. etc. etc. etc. You give me an industry and I and the other commenters here will be able to list a variety of government intrusions that distort the free market in that particular area.

    The cumulative effect is that it is almost laughable to call the U.S. economic system free market. Now, it may be more free than many other places in the world, but that doesn’t mean it is a free market.

    Now, there are reasons (some of them good) for the government to intrude into the free market. People who really care about the environment may believe in free markets, but believe that free market mechanisms are not sufficient to protect the environment. People may believe that there is insufficient pressure brought to bear on free market forces to bring about work places that are safe for their employees, and therefore OSHA is a justifiable intrusion into the free market.

    One thing is that this list is endless. There are always people who think one thing, or another thing, are “better” than what would occur under a free market. When you give in to that pressure, you end up with a system like we have now . . . politicians are terrified of being seen as “not doing anything” about a problem, and so for every “problem”, real or perceived, we now get a flood of proposals for new laws. But the founding fathers (hint: Jefferson was one of them) knew that what you really have to stand for is the principle of limited government. If you stand for the principle of limited government, and believe in the power of free markets, then you have the requisite mental toolkit to fight this creeping socialism/communism that is destroying what is left of free markets in this country.

    The reason this is important right now is because unless you understand what free market economics really mean, you’re likely to think of someone like McCain as free market. He’s not. Just look at his *own* commercials on energy policy. True free market Republicans are an extremely endangered species. Ron Paul is one example of this endangered species.

  29. David Black says:

    (yawn) another Ron Paul Losertarian or paleo-con with their tun foil hat paranoia about the ol’ Big Bad Government.

    Face it, sparky, if you were a true beneficiary of the free market you’d be loving it. But instead, you display the attitude of the whining have-not. It’s really pathetic. I’m not fearful of my government like you are.

    I could consider the alternatives, which are some Eurotrash styled socialist collectivist states or Third World dung heap.

    Whiners like you need to live in Cuba for a few months to be grateful for what you have here.

    You are a whining ingrate who has no appreciation for what your country offers you. It’s not perfect, but it’s still the best.

  30. hktelemacher says:

    Your post would make more sense if you typed random typed–really. Or put a monkey at the keyboard. You clearly either did not read, or could not comprehend, my post. Your posts have demonstrated conclusively to anyone reading that you have no understanding, at all, of political science, economics, or history. If you actually took the time to educate yourself, you would feel deeply ashamed upon coming back here to read what you wrote in response to what people have written here.

    I am sorry for your lack of intelligence, and knowledge.

  31. David Black says:

    I understand my own experience, which has been been far less gloomy than yours, evidently.

    What people like you can’t tolerate is not being listened to. I’m not listening to your bull crap. That’s why you align with the freak fringe margin of Ron Paul. No one has been listening to you and now finally, a candidate has paid you lip service.

    You are the reason I generally despise the “little guy.” I don’t care about their needs and wants. The world out there offers no guarantees. You either made do with what you have presented before you or you fail.

    Failure is not an option for me.

    I see the world for what it is and adapt to it in order to ensure my survival and the survival of my family at all cost. It’s every man for himself out there. I’m not my brother’s keeper. I could give a rat’s ass if you succeed or not. But please, stop with the goddamned whining about how terrible it is in the United States. Wealthy people abound in this nation.

    Why aren’t you wealthy? If you were, you wouldn’t be whining about how tough it is.

    If you don’t like it here, feel free to leave.

  32. hktelemacher says:

    “I see the world for what it is and adapt to it in order to ensure my survival and the survival of my family at all cost.”

    Nice to know that you have no principles, nothing that would separate you from an animal. Which would, again, distinguish you from any of our Founding Fathers, or hell, any of Jesus’ disciples, or anyone who has ever sacrificed for their principles.

    “Why aren’t you wealthy? If you were, you wouldn’t be whining about how tough it is.”

    I have a good job, and enough financial security so that my wife stays home (by her own choice) to raise our kids. I live in a nice, small midwestern town with good schools and proximate enough to a city that I can enjoy its benefits. I will be able to send my children to the best college they get into. By every economic measure that I consider important, I have succeeded. Why would I care about the measure of success from an arrogant man, with no principles, who has no knowledge of political science, history or economics? Answer: I would not.

    Why don’t you bedazzle us some more with your “insightful” thoughts on free markets, and how unfettered our markets are from government intrusion? Don’t worry, we’ll all wait with baited breath while you look up “unfettered”.

  33. David Black says:

    No one is asking you to care about anyone else. If you are personally reaping the benefits of America’s free market system, then what the hell do you care what the government does? It makes no sense to complain about something that doesn’t affect your or your livelihood.

    Oh that’s right, tin foil hat paranoid losertarians always think you are the next target. Your hero Ron Paul certainly has you conditioned properly.

  34. cbsure says:

    …For those of you just tuning in…what has happened is that we have completely digressed from marijuana & are now witnessing DB giving himself fellatio…

    Quick people! HUDDLE! HUDDLE!

    My name is cbsure…& I admire DB. Seriously…& here’s why…after the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence…it basically says…blah blah blah…& then…wait for it…the world’s record for whining! & Wouldn’t you know…the whiners fight & win! The British were kicking themselves in the ass! We lost…to THEM?

    Then the whiners put their heads together. The Constitution of the United States of America. Of course someone always opens their big mouth…’Something is missing…’ & someone else says…’Quit your whining!’ & Then …’By George!…Brilliant!’ & There you have it ladies & gents…the Right to Whine! Plus (9) more rights of God-knows-what.

    So you see…this country we love so dearly is essentially the Land of Whiners. Because the founders knew…silence is consent. If you got something that bothers you…speak UP!

    But here’s something I couldn’t figure out…until I met DB. If you got everything going for you (like DB)…you got fame, fortune, & family…wouldn’t you just want to play w/ your kids…hang w/ your friends…go on vacation…be complacent…laughing…enjoying life…I mean…why stress yourself out? But then DB…the smartest blogger I’ve ever met…got it figured out! You can whine…about the whiners! Here I am…wasting my life away…rooting for the underdog…but adding fuel to the fire? Completing the Circle of Whining!? That’s BRILLIANT!

    But why? Why complete the Circle of Whining? Good question! Because the founding fathers knew…just like DB knows…this nation is not about getting wealthy! It’s about…being Happy! & Whining…especially when someone responds back…makes us HAPPY!

    We HART you DB!

    Okay…time’s up.

    …wait…he’s coming up for air…O MY GOD!….IT’S A WORLD RECORD!…DB WINS GOLD!

    Everyone please stand up for the national anthem of the United States of America…

  35. David Black says:

    You are truly disgusting degenerate, kid, if only for that first sentence. If Doug Wead is reading this, the post should be deleted.

  36. hktelemacher says:

    “f you are personally reaping the benefits of America’s free market system, then what the hell do you care what the government does?”

    Because the continued success of the free market system is the best way to advance my own self interest. If the government adopts more free market policies, and I am good and skilled at my job, then I benefit as the economy benefits.

    I have children, so I have an interest in advocating the free market system not just for my own benefit, but for theirs. Politics is always moving towards freedom, or sliding into socialism/communism, it never stays static. I want them to grow into adults that have the benefit of living in a free market economy, but what if one of them wants to become a doctor? Doctors do better . . . everyone does better . . . with a free market-based health care system. So I do my research, and use my voice to advocate free market policies relating to health care.

    You seem to think that advocating for anything but the status quo is some form of weakness, which is hilarious. What is funnier than hilarious is your derision for Ron Paul, when his philosophy used to be the hallmark, the bedrock of the Republican Party–the philosophy under which your family started its prosperity. Instead, you come off like an authoritarian sympathizer–who gives a s*** about anything or anyone as long as you get yours? Just behave like an animal, right? You must have some amazing role models. Tell me, do you eat food from the table or just curl up next to your dog bowl and growl at people who walk by?

  37. David Black says:

    Ron Paul thinks people should be able to smoke pot. That’s not how conservatives think. Ron Paul is a Losertarian, which has more to do with liberals than conservatives.

    Did you, or did you not, write this?

    “I was raised a United Methodist, active in the church. I’ve been a member of the United Methodist church for pretty much all my life.”

    Yep,a JF.

  38. David Black says:

    Since you haven’t lived that long, back in the 1940s and 1950s, people were predicting the collapse of this nation after WW2 from nuclear devastation. I remember civil defense drills and “duck and cover.” It didn’t frighten me because my father said it would never happen. It’s a scare tactic to keep people in line and promote national defense, he said. He was right, as it turned out.

    Paranoids fear all kinds of things that never come true.

    Include yourself among the latest generation of paranoids.

    My father and my uncles were men that I admired. They came to this country after Kristallnacht in 1938. With a few dollars between them, they started a garment manufacturing business in 1940. In 1986, they sold the business to Jones NY for 35 million dollars and retired to Florida.

    So don’t tell me this country’s free market system isn’t “good enough,” you whining schmuck.

  39. hktelemacher says:

    You want to look like an idiot in two places? Fine by me.

    You betray the system that benefited your father and uncles. That free market system that from the 1940s to the Reagan years doesn’t exist any more. Reagan was the last small government conservative to hold the Presidency.

    All that life you have lived, and not to have learned jack shit. To end up nothing better than an animal, with no higher values than which dick to suck next for a few more bucks.

    Sad.

    Keep comparing yourself to Einstein though.

    AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  40. hktelemacher says:

    Here is the family friendly version in case the above “disappears”:

    You want to look like an idiot in two places? Fine by me.

    You betray the system that benefited your father and uncles. That free market system that from the 1940s to the Reagan years doesn’t exist any more. Reagan was the last small government conservative to hold the Presidency.

    All that life you have lived, and not to have learned jack s***. To end up nothing better than an animal, with no higher values than which **** to **** next for a few more bucks.

    Sad.

    Keep comparing yourself to Einstein though.

    AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  41. cbsure says:

    Let’s cut to commercial…shall we?

    There are Lex Luthors & there are Supermans.

    Lex earns the fortune by whatever means necessary…to only look after himself… & his kin. Basically running on a dog-eat-dog world philosophy. & There’s truth to that…& hard to blame him… especially if he was taught to think like that.

    Superman saves people. Doesn’t have to. Could take over the world. But he doesn’t…out of principle but also…b/c he sincerely cares. It’s crazy b/c it’s impossible to save everybody. But you can’t blame him…especially if he was taught to think like that.

    Ron Paul…he’s neither. He’s not the hero…& he’s admiting it. He’s basically turned into Lawrence Fishburne looking for Neo. & Maybe he will find him…but in the meantime…

    I’m rooting for Superman…b/c he’s the underdog! Lex & Darth Vader & the Matrix…They are strong! You can’t take them down head on. So who’s Superman?

    Bill Gates. Looks like Clark…earned the dough…& now out to save the world. He can’t save everybody. So the solution is…we need more like him.

    God willing.

    Control your emotions…you must! Under-estimate the Dark Side…DO NOT!

    B/c otherwise…it’s Gettysburg all over again…

  42. David Black says:

    Both of you (cbsure and hktelemacher) are degenerate and foul mouthed creeps.

  43. hktelemacher says:

    I’d rather have a sharp tongue than a dull mind.

    If at any point you’d like to start discussing the original blog post again, or economics, or politics, or foreign policy, or whatever, I’d be happy to.

  44. David Black says:

    No, hktelemacher, I prefer addressing your admitted life long membership in the methodist church and your denial of being a Jesus freak.

    I’d also prefer addressing your Losertarian isolationist views and why you think spreading democracy around the world doesn’t make it safer for our allies and our own interests abroad?

  45. hktelemacher says:

    “No, hktelemacher, I prefer addressing your admitted life long membership in the methodist church and your denial of being a Jesus freak.”

    *shrug*, I just ignore it. First, if belonging to a moderate protestant religion makes one a de facto Jesus freak, then it smacks of high hypocrisy for you to deride supporters of Ron Paul as being in the fringe. I don’t actually expect you to understand that, but I know that other people here will. Second, you know what I wrote in full, so you already know before you type your first word that you’re trying intentionally to paint a derisive picture that isn’t truly reflective. Par for the course when it comes to you. Third, what religion I am has no bearing on the breadth or quality of my knowledge when it comes to other areas and, quite frankly, you’d be much better off cracking open a basic econ textbook than the time you spend online.

    “I’d also prefer addressing your Losertarian isolationist views and why you think spreading democracy around the world doesn’t make it safer for our allies and our own interests abroad?”

    As I’ve said before, I find it hard to believe, with as consistently as you’ve been wrong or in error about everything so far, that you would have the confidence to express any opinion at all on foreign policy. I mean, you’ve already displayed just stunning levels of ignorance in economics, history and political science. If you want to add foreign policy to the list, that’s fine by me. Each new ridiculous conservative talking point you rattle off just further erodes your credibility.

    The best way to encourage freedom is to engage in free trade with foreign nations. The best example of this is China. China’s planned economic policies were such a dismal failure that millions died. However, as the 21st century came and Hong Kong was absorbed into the country, and China started to realize the true value of trade, they began to institute capitalistic reforms to their economy. It isn’t strictly necessary to have a democracy in order for their to be free trade, or even other freedoms (although democracy has proven to be the best protector so far of those rights). The Chinese people, although the government is still very repressive, enjoy economic freedom now in a way never thought possible even almost 40 years ago, just about the time Nixon went to China.

    For as much as you claim to value free markets (even though you don’t really understand the concept), I find it hard to believe that you don’t understand how trade with other nations encourages domestic freedoms within those nations. As productivity rises and capitalism grows, new freedoms are required to fuel that growth. Look at America. Women gained the right to vote fairly early in the 20th century, but I think most people would argue that it wasn’t until women started truly integrating into the workforce that they gained the kind of economic freedom that was necessary to bolster their rights. A “free” woman that did not have the capability to support herself, and was dissuaded from entering the work force, was not really free.

    In comparison, building and maintaining a military and colonial empire is expensive and has historically shown that it does little to spread lasting democracy. It usually ends up bankrupting the empire. Look how many years and how many millions of rubles the U.S.S.R. dumped into the Middle East. Their failures to spread and maintain their empire militarily was just as much if not more a factor in the collapse of the U.S.S.R. than the arms race with the U.S. (although related).

    Of course, again I expect you to not have any grip on this since it requires a good grip on modern history as well as a basic grasp of economics. I expect to see about the level of analysis as is contained on your own blog–racist, fear-mongering tripe.

    Just remember, unless you display a significantly better grip on foreign policy then you have on economics, history or political science, you’re just going to end up embarrassing yourself again. I don’t need to convince you at all, I only need to make an argument that pretty much anyone knowledgeable will, if not agree, at least respect. I suspect you’ll just prove my point, because you can’t help yourself.

  46. David Black says:

    The difference between me and you is what you fob off as being “educated’ is simply mimicking what you read or heard from others.

    You haven’t an original opinion in your brain. You simply recycle other people’s ideas on economics, history, poli sci, whatever, and claim them for your own.

    Like I said before, you’re a phony and a fraud. Maybe in that backwater midwestern ‘burg you live in, your schtick can fool your fellow lumpen proletarians. You’re marginally smarter than Clem and Jethro who work at the local feed mill or meat packing plant.

    “I don’t actually expect you to understand that, but I know that other people here will.”

    This is why you’re a joke. You actually care about what other people think enough to inform your opinions with that information.

    I couldn’t care less what others think. I say what I want and the rest be damned.

  47. hktelemacher says:

    Wow, that was a pretty on-topic discussion of foreign policy. You asked for my opinion on foreign policy, and I gave it. I gave examples to back up my opinion. Your response? Ad hominem. Completely incapable of discussing actual foreign policy, at all. Totally intellectually impotent.

    And then you call me a joke.

    Priceless.

    I’ll wait for your foreign policy response.

  48. David Black says:

    A deserved ad hominem, because I could go to any of a number of blogs and read exactly the same thing.

    Anyone can repeat what others have essentially said or written before. Do you actually consider yourself a different style of voice?

    Do you also consider what you are doing in any way entertaining?

    My view on foreign policy is based on living on a kibbutz in Israel for three years in the 1970s. I was there during the 1973 war with Egypt and Syria. I watched innocent Israeli women and children blown to bits by Islamo-fascist dogs who killed solely because they were taught to hate Jews and the Western powers that supported them.

  49. hktelemacher says:

    There is a reason in this country that we do not allow the victims of a crime to determine the sentence of the offender. If your views on foreign policy are so colored by individual traumatic experiences, then your ability to engage in rational analysis is fatally compromised. This is exacerbated by the fact that you have no grasp of foreign policy beyond that.

    But if you want to head down the road to ruin, maybe you should at least prioritize all of the countries we will have to invade to spread democracy, since that is the most important thing. Should we start with China, or leave them until last? Should we hit N. Korea at the same time as China, or before, or after? Do we sweep up all the African countries at once–Egypt, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Congo, Libya, etc? Or do we do individual, consecutive engagements? Should we give some diplomatic alternatives to our allies such as Saudi Arabia, before deposing their ruling family by military force and installing new governments? Or is it best to just to employ shock and awe in each case?

    See, you make weak claims about spreading democracy, but anyone who has read any of your uneducated tripe already knows that you don’t give two craps about democracy, or two craps about what the world should be like (except, apparently and paradoxically, for your affinity for Israel). You only care about protecting yourself. If installing and maintaining a dictator in a foreign country brought you some personal benefit, what do you care whether that is good or bad for other people? Right? Or do you suddenly care about all the peoples of the world? Except of course everyone you have to step on and keep down here in the U.S. so you can get whatever you can.

    You resort to ad hominem because you’ve got nothing else. Zippo. You aren’t fooling anyone, except maybe yourself.

  50. David Black says:

    I am concerned with preserving American hegemony abroad, even if it means transforming the foulest third world dung heap into our image.

    Whatever it takes, no matter the cost. It’s worth it.

  51. hktelemacher says:

    Yes, because that’s worked out so well for, oh, I dunno, *every country in the history of mankind that’s tried it*.

    Right? Oh, wait, sorry. *Wrong*.

    You don’t have to look far at all to see consequences . . . today.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/154048

    “Putin heads an energy-rich, autocratic country loaded with more than half a trillion dollars worth of foreign reserves (most of which are held in U.S. dollars), while the United States is faced with a worsening financial crisis and taxing military commitments overseas.

    “On balance, Russia sees that they have more leverage economically over the West than the West has over Russia,” says Cliff Gaddy, a senior fellow at The Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. “Belatedly, this incident in Georgia is waking everybody up to a reality that’s already true.” ”

    This is where your insufficient knowledge of history is fatal to your position. People who have studied the effects of military empires, conquest-driven/colonial-style hegemony know its consequences. Here’s a hint: It doesn’t usually end all that well for the country seeking to exert itself over the world.

  52. David Black says:

    I see, cite a liberal rag like Newsweak as justification for your views.

    You are a coward and weakling and you want your country to be the same way. So you read some naysayers and that’s your justification for your negativity.

    When will clowns like you learn that there’s a concerted effort by our own people to make America look bad on the foreign stage.

    And lemmings like you lap it up because it’s exactly what you want to hear.

    It’s like you’re great love for Ron Paul.

    Lemmings like you are always looking for something or someone to follow, instead of just looking out for yourself and your own and the rest be damned.

  53. David Black says:

    “It’s like you’re great love for Ron Paul.”

    CORRECTION: It’s like your great love for Ron Paul.

  54. bigneil says:

    Wow, David Black made this interesting – chock full of Neo-Con diatribe from a real Trustafarian.

    DB wrote: “I hope people like you don’t play the stock market. You’d lose your shirts.”

    I wonder how much David and his well-to-do family lost?

    DB wrote:”The free market econ system is what makes the American way worth preserving at all cost. ”

    I wonder how you feel about the bailout?

    “Can you Constitutionists cite any quotes to support your agenda that doesn’t come from the 18th century.”

    Yes – Ronald Reagan in the Republican Presidential debates of 1980 said ‘Just as certain as a law of physics – when government expands, liberty contracts’.

    DB wrote:”if you aren’t intelligent enough to be suspicious and mistrusting of most everyone and everything in your pursuit of (prosperity), then you deserve whatever foul fate than awaits”

    Yet you trust the government?

    DB wrote:”I am smarter than Thomas Jefferson”.

    Wow – a T-shirt slogan. Sorry David, but smart people do not contradict themselves so blatantly as you with your 100% trust for government and your 100% distrust for your fellow man. And frankly, you’re a pompous A-hole.

    DB wrote: “It’s like you’re great love for Ron Paul.”

    The only smart thing you said.

  55. bigneil says:

    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” — Thomas Jefferson

    “I am smarter than Thomas Jefferson” — David Black

  56. David Black says:

    “Yet you trust the government?”

    Yes, because smart individuals would never allow the government to interfere with their pursuit of prosperity.

    I cannot think of one instance where the government interfered with any business venture my family ever entered into.

    I trust the government because it’s smart enough to pump billions into defense in order to kill islamo-fascists to protect our interests and the interests of our chief allies, like Israel, for example.

    Better that money be pumped into defense than supporting crackheads and welfare moms.

    “yes – Ronald Reagan”

    My god, some of you people need to forget about Reagan, his day is long gone. Why not pine for Thomas E. Dewey while you’re at it?

    You see, I’m not a paranoid freak like you paleo-cons and Losertarians.

    Name one example where your personal liberties have been infringed and as a result caused you some great inconvenience in the years since 9/11.

    I’m also smarter than Jefferson because I’m smart enough to have the decency not to father children with some slave whore.

    As for your precious Jefferson, one can study all the books they want and go to all the best schools, I don’t care. If they aren’t exemplary in their private life, they mean nothing to me.

    The true sign of greatness is how one conducts themselves privately, not publicly.

  57. David Black says:

    By the way, bigneil, you could visit my blog and read about the family estate losses, but that means you’d have to venture out beyond your comfort zone and enter a world that isn’t friendly to Losertarians and paleo-cons.

    I’m sure you’d enjoy my blog entry on “Ron(Losing)Stock08”

    It perfectly captures the essence of Ron Paul’s freak following.

  58. bigneil says:

    “Name one example where your personal liberties have been infringed and as a result caused you some great inconvenience in the years since 9/11.”

    Every time I open a bank account, they say “because of the Patriot Act, you have to do things that were formerly illegal for us to ask you to do.”

    Eliot Spitzer was busted due to the Patriot Act forcing banks to spy on people. They are now obligated to violate our fourth amendment.

    Now that the banks have openly robbed everyone, how long before they send the troops in for the land (no more Posse Comitatus), or to take away protesters and lock them up and throw away the key (no more Habeus Corpus), or enslave those who can’t pay their interest-only mortgage (no more Bankrupcy Protection). We could try to hide gold, but it’s difficult when they can read our emails, analyze our credit card and bank statements and listen to our phone calls (no more Bill of Rights). We could return to constitutional money, but you guessed it (no more Constitution).

    The past 8 years of one disaster after another (The Energy Commision, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Katrina, Military Commisions Act, Scooter Libby, Iran and the Banking Crisis) were a lesson in what happens when the David Black’s of the world can do whatever they want. The trickle down factor is David’s prozac-laced pee cascading off your forehead.

    “The true sign of greatness is how one conducts themselves privately, not publicly.”

    Well I guess Bush knows every great person by now then.

  59. bigneil says:

    “smart individuals would never allow the government to interfere with their pursuit of prosperity.”

    Exactly.

  60. David Black says:

    “Every time I open a bank account, they say “because of the Patriot Act, you have to do things that were formerly illegal for us to ask you to do.”

    Perhaps since you likely conducted yourself like a threat to the US in the presence of bank officials, don’t blame the laws for fingering you for what you likely truly represent.

    But really, how money money can someone like you have to deposit? You can take that measly minimum wage check from that fast food restaurant and cash it at a check cashing joint.

    “The past 8 years of one disaster after another (The Energy Commision, 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Katrina, Military Commisions Act, Scooter Libby, Iran and the Banking Crisis)

    I see, so an Israeli-hating inbred redneck cracker like you would have stayed out of the Middle East because you don’t care if more Jews are murdered and our oil supply is threatened, do you?, do you?

    Sorry, how is 9/11 the USA’s fault? Katrina? Did George Bush order that hurricane?

    Tell me, how did Scooter Libby personally affect your life? You paranoid and inbred redneck crackers make me laugh.

  61. David Black says:

    “smart individuals would never allow the government to interfere with their pursuit of prosperity.”

    Exactly.”

    Sorry, redneck, knuckle dragging paranoids like you automatically exclude themselves.

    If you believe the government can directly interfere with your life, it will. It’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  62. David Black says:

    “But really, how money money can someone like you have to deposit?”

    EDIT: “How much money can someone …”

    The lack of an edit feature on wordpress is very annoying.

    But really, if it had one, I wonder how many of you would really use it?

  63. bigneil says:

    David, there is no need to correct your typo’s, the content itself is what you should be worried about. For example, when I answered your question about how my rights have been infringed, and I referred to how banks now make you sign a statement referring to the Patriot act, you wrote:

    “Perhaps since you likely conducted yourself like a threat to the US in the presence of bank officials, don’t blame the laws for fingering you for what you likely truly represent.”

    Ok, so I’m personally responsible for the Patriot Act. And it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy? So I guess that means I’m guilty until proven innocent – if I conduct myself in a certain way, I can be not only assumed a threat, but special rules can be enforced.

    However, even with obtrusive Patriot act legislation, 99.99% of people spied upon were never brought to trial as terrorists. The overwhelming majority of people are not terrorists, and we deserve privacy so we can plan on how to take back all the money your pompous, A-hole father stole from us while you were playing tennis with his gay step nephew.

  64. David Black says:

    You may have been acting in a suspicious manner, which is all law enforcement needs to arrest someone on suspicion.

    Why don’t you get that?

    No judgment of guilt or non-guilt is required at that point. That’s to be determined later following arrest and trial. Then you have to prove yourself.

    Let’s be honest, most of the people spied upon were towel heads and muslims, so who cares? Any real American would be glad those creeps are being targeted. They killed 3000 of our fellow citizens.

    You never did answer how 9/11 or Katrina was the USA’s fault. I’m sure you have a paranoid conspiracy theory to explain it.

  65. David Black says:

    “if I conduct myself in a certain way, I can be not only assumed a threat, but special rules can be enforced.”

    Of course. The security measures in this country are far too lax for my liking.

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