Shocker: Ron Paul and rule 40, the new Romney nightmare
At least one of the cats is out of the bag. The story is now public that an obscure, overlooked GOP rule, passed in January, 2008, has opened the way for Ron Paul delegates to place his name in nomination for vice president at the RNC in Tampa. And maybe for president? Experts say no. More on that.
Rule 40 came at a time in 2008 when there was concern that the GOP presidential field would be split between candidates Huckabee, McCain, Romney, Thompson, Giuliani and Paul, with no one candidate winning a majority in five states. It was accepted that this possibility was remote, due to the sequential power of successive caucus and primary victories which would winnow the field and give one or two candidates momentum but the deadlock was at least a mathematical possibility.
The rule change declared that only a plurality within a delegation, not a majority, was needed in five states to place a name in nomination. It means that a candidate can be nominated for president or vice president if he or she has the most delegates in at least five states. It is a threshold that Ron Paul has very possibly passed. And it may explain why the Romney forces have been apoplectic, even self defeating, in their crushing of the duly elected Ron Paul delegates at the various remaining state conventions.
Romney people insist that it is all a moot point in the presidential contest since Ron Paul delegates in many states are bound to vote for Romney if he was the winner of their primary. Although curiously, Romney sees no problem in taking delegates in states such as North Dakota where Ron Paul beat him.
In the contest for vice president, there is not much that Romney can do to stop Ron Paul delegates from putting his name in nomination. Unless they find a way to quickly change the rule. And Ron Paul’s name in nomination at the national convention could do more for his message than anything he has done in the last eight years, including his participation in the national debates.
The specter that haunts the Romney folks is the convention of 1992, when the sitting GOP president, George H. W. Bush, sought to rally his base by giving Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan a voice. Robertson and Buchanan represented the evangelical and conservative Catholic base of the GOP and Bush had neglected them, even arguably spurned them. (The Bush administration stoutly defended government sponsorship of the arts which included grants to an artist whose demonstrative talents included putting pictures of Jesus on a cross in bottles of urine.)
There is a big difference in 2012. Ron Paul, who only polls a high of 17% among the GOP, actually beats president Obama in a face to face contest, doing better than Romney, because he pulls strength from general election voters, youth, Independents, Hispanics and Democrats. While Robertson and Buchanan represented the base of the GOP, Ron Paul represents its future and its most important general election voters.
Stay tuned. There’s more.
See: Jon Ward’s breaking story in the Huffington Post
JOIN THE DISUCSSION on RULE 40 HERE.
Doug Wead 
Why are you giving up on Pres nomination at convention, Doug? The rule on binding speaks of binding on the first (or whatever) BALLOT, the NOMINATION is an entirely separate vote.
Plus, people need to spread the video below to make sure the WINNING Ron Paul delegation in Louisiana where Ron Paul won the caucuses in a landslide are seated at convention:
Ron Paul is entitled to a speech as nominee into consideration at the convention, when Louisiana delegates, where he WON the caucus in a landslide, are counted. Noises are being made that maybe they won’t be counted, but let those who know parliamentary procedure watch the video synopsis I post. Note the first 2:15 is boring, being motions and points made which the self declared chair ignored contrary to Roberts Rules of Order — making him subject to removal by the body. The actual removal comes after that. The newly elected chair, a recent hip replacement recipient was driven to the ground despite shouts that he was handicapped, and was taken away by ambulence. The rules chair you see in the video, who objected to a false rules chair giving a false rules committee report had fingers broken by the security hired by the party establishment, as he was dragged off. The second video shows Henry Herford, there is a third video with the rules chair assault. In fact the whole thing is on video. Please spread this, as Romney’s folks now deny they said they would support the Ron Paul delegates in credentials committee to be seated. With Louisiana, Paul has five states to be nominated at convention.
I’m not giving up on anything. If Dr. Paul can win, no one would be happier than I.
Thumbs up from Prague, Czech Republic. The Ron Paul face to face contest poll numbers look around tie over relatively long period of time. You also write Ron Paul polls 17% among republicans and he also does very good among independents, if not even much better – possibly better than any other presidential candidate – isn’t this Ron Paul supporters -or potential voter numbers enough to be prohibitive for Romney to win the presidency if the RNC doesn’t at least pick Ron Paul as VP, does the another set of shenanigans to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters and there will be then not much for them in it to be supported by their vote for GOP in the election? -Wouldn’t the Ron Paul VP nomination be on the end the only way how Romney can win against the democratic incumbent Obama?
Keep it coming on, Doug Wead…one way or another…WE ARE GONNA ROCK IT!!
** RON PAUL & RON PAUL ONLY…2012 & FOR EVER!!! **
@Doug Wead: This old interview from Feb. shows clearly that you spoke up about how the MSM is slanting the accusation that Ron Paul was only saying negative things about Santorum….You told your interviewer that there are RP ads about the unacceptable platform of Romney & that RNC dates kept “moving up” to the advantage of Mitt Romney…But she never acknowledged that RP wasn’t in cahoots with Mitt.
When I clicked on the youtube links I posted they didn’t work. That may just be because it isn’t yet approved as a comment, but here they are again:
the first synopsis one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k884ZKUNwbo&feature=player_embedded#t=0s
the second one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTpLOUxC6Q&feature=player_embedded#t=0s
Thank you for the uplifting information Doug.
Wait – so Ron Paul says he’ll have up to 500 supporters as delegates out of 2268 (and anyone who thinks it can be much higher than that is smoking somethin’ good). Why does it matter one way or the other if his name is in nomination for P or VP? Though the delegates are unbound for the VP vote, that just means he’ll lose 1768-500. This will not be a nightmare for anyone, including the Republican nominee, Mitt Romney. What evidence is there that another 700 delegates are going to join in the Ron Paul VP protest vote?
Victor Cruz — LOL…pathetic Rmoney shill:
The Mitt will be lucky if he gets a VP nomination. Real Americans (unlike you) in the millions will assure a Ron Paul Presidential Win!
The Real Delegate Count of delegates who prefer a
candidate, not those “bound” to a candidate:
Romney 419, Paul 263, Gingrich 106, Santorum 41
Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming
NO DELEGATES ARE BOUND!
http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/
Spread this like wildfire!!!
The only reason that moronic “Real Delegate Count” exists is so the NWO can more easily decide who to round up and place in FEMA camps. By quoting that site as truth, you are proving yourself to not have the mental capacity to live in civilized society. That site is a lie and they’re playing on the fact that people like you will believe anything as long as they tell you what you want to hear.
No, there’s not much Romney can do about Paulbots nominating Ron Paul for VP, besides laugh at them for attempting to do something that has zero chance of working. Who cares if he gets on the VP ballot if he has about 1/5 of the delegates supporting him? Why exactly should Mitt be afraid?
I swear, the Romney people have their heads so far in the sand they cannot fathom that the mainstream media has lied about the delegate count.
If you want a better idea of where the delegate ACTUALLY is, visit http://www.thereal2012delegatecount.com
You might learn something.
This nation has had ENOUGH of voting for the lesser of two evils. It’s time we vote our conscience and on principle for the RIGHT candidate who will HELP this nation.
Yeesh, you’re a bunch of sheep.
BTW Doug, love the site, and love what you’ve done and you’re doing. Keep up the good work. You’re a true patriot.
Chuckles — LOL Mittbot:
Rmoney has no true support — his are delegates that are anti-BO not pro-Mitt….
As such — being only 419 of them so far — he has a lot more to fear than the VP spot. His nomination will slip away when ALL delegates are informed that NONE are bound by any RNC rules!
Remember that at the National Convention the US Election Laws kick in — and the GOP’s rules become null and void!
Rmoney will be lucky if he can get nominated for the VP spot — he can forget the Presidential Nomination…that will be won by Ron Paul (and there will be millions of US REAL AMERICANS surrounding the Tampa Convention center, MAKING SURE THIS HAPPENS…or else)!
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The Real Delegate Count of delegates who prefer a
candidate, not those “bound” to a candidate:
Romney 419, Paul 263, Gingrich 106, Santorum 41
Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming
NO DELEGATES ARE BOUND!
http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/
Spread this like wildfire!!!
great info Doug, waiting intensively on court decision for ruling on bound delegates rule 38. Go Ron Paul Go
really Doug. i just dont think i can vote for Romney, Paul VP or not.
its Ron Paul or its Gary Johnson for 2012..
I would vote for Ron Paul as VP and not for the top of the ticket, because I have faith Ron would be Ron as he has been for 30 years. Starting and working from principles is the point and GJ doesn’t do that as far as I see, in any event.
I do not care what happens, in November, my ballot will bear the name Ron Paul for President. I will not vote Romney even if Ron Paul is VP. This is a matter of principle. With all the federal laws being violated by the RNC and State GOP establishment, the only voice we will have is to make sure all our ballots bear the name Ron Paul for President. This is a r3VOLution and we cannot quit now. If Ron Paul is not our next President, we need to continue to take the dishonest establishment GOP out over the next few elections, we can do it.
3rd party sends a far better message than a write in that isn’t even counted in many states. Give Constitution or Libertarian a vote and grow a PARTY (not a man) that will scare the republicans into acting as they generally talk.
ditto
If I hear the name Gary Johnson one more time I will get sick on my keyboard
James there will be many like you and that’s fine. I may be as well. However, a Paul as VP is about the only HOPE Mitt has of getting my vote, and I’m assuming with that will come serious policy concessions that will actually separate him from Obama.
If Paul becomes VP, I somehow foresee some fanatic Paul supporter out there willing to try and take out Romney. Not saying that anyone should do that, but I can see it happening.
Ain’t going to happen. But you have to give Doug et al credit for tenacity. They will do almost anything to try to convince Paul’s supporters to stay in the GOP. That ain’t going to happen either! Paul or Johnson for president.
http://giavellireport.com/2012/06/21/the-scream-heard-round-the-world/
How could Ron Paul, a man of such principle, allow himself to become a sycophant of the tax loving, warmongering, capitalism hating Romney? What could Paul actually do as a vice president that would make this feat worth accomplishing, other than possibly get Obama out of office?
Unless Romney announces to the world that he has a degenerative heart condition and will die in the next few years, I really can’t see myself voting for such an alliance.
I will vote Romney if Paul…either one of them is on the VP ticket…I can swallow that. Better to have our voice at the national level than not at all.
Johnson is a wasted vote…He isnt even consistent on his positions. Yeah Romney is a neocon, but Paul having a national voice would be dynamite. Romney would be constantly have Paul talking about the Constitution and stuff…I think overall it would be positive for the movement. I think getting Paul in a VP spot would be great at this point.
Sorry, its gotta be the top of the ticket. The worst thing we could do is have the Liberty movement, via Ron Paul as a VP locked away in some room, tainted or neutralized by a failed Romney presidency. Ron Paul or none at all!
Apples and Oranges: My understanding is that they need a five state plurality to vote to put his name into nomination–but, there are two separate votes (I assume), one to put nominees for the nomination on a ballot to be nominated, and one then to vote for the preferred (or if bound, possibly the unpreferred) candidate to be the nominee.
I’m not a Republican, so haven’t read the rules, but my guess is that no one is bound re putting in a name, and we should have 5 states, easy, because what delegate doesn’t want to have options? They get more leverage that way. They might be bound to vote for Romney AFTER HE’S NOMINATED, but why aren’t they unbound before that?
Somebody look this up in the bylaws!
AFTER HE’S NOMINATED to be nominated, that is. You can see why it’s confusing. Two votes–because no one knows how many delegates are for any candidate until they vote at convention for someone’s name to be placed into nomination, so no one knows if five states can do this until they try. Once all the votes are in, all candidates who get a 5 states plurality will be on the ballot for the nomination — which is where the binding actually comes in–right?
Oh! Were it only so simple, IMissLiberty! The issue of whether or not delegates are bound to vote for the establishment’s candidate of choice is so unclear and complicated that a Facebook group called “Lawyers for Ron Paul” has filed a civil rights lawsuit with over 140 Plaintiffs requesting the Federal Court to mandate that delegates have the right to “vote their conscience.” Without such a mandate (and possibly even with one given the level of railroading that has taken place at almost every GOP state primary this year), the concern is that delegates may be bullied, strong-armed and unseated for acting in accordance with their Constitutional rights.
I know all that, but that only applies to voting once he’s nominated, not to putting him into nomination (right?).
I like the comments here supporting Ron Paul. On the TeaParty site the argument is to vote for the lesser of two evils, that being Romney. I can’t do that. For me it is to waste my vote on somebody like Romney that doesn’t represent me.
And let’s not forget about Virgin Islands. Romney sees no problem in taking delegates in Virgin Islands either where Ron Paul beat him.
The bottom line here is: NO ONE will know to whom the delegates are loyal… until Tampa. Anyone who has encountered/witnessed election fraud, intimidation, assaults, manipulation etc….. please use the resource below, and forward it to anyone else who has information to contribute to the lawsuit, so the attorneys can contact you.
http://www.electionfraudremedy.com/
AW — exactly!
Rmoney has no true support — his are delegates that are anti-BO not pro-Mitt….
As such — being only 419 of them so far — he has a lot more to fear than the VP spot. His nomination will slip away when ALL delegates are informed that NONE are bound by any RNC rules!
Remember that at the National Convention the US Election Laws kick in — and the GOP’s rules become null and void!
Rmoney will be lucky if he can get nominated for the VP spot — he can forget the Presidential Nomination…that will be won by Ron Paul (and there will be millions of US REAL AMERICANS surrounding the Tampa Convention center, MAKING SURE THIS HAPPENS…or else)!
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The Real Delegate Count of delegates who prefer a
candidate, not those “bound” to a candidate:
Romney 419, Paul 263, Gingrich 106, Santorum 41
Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming
NO DELEGATES ARE BOUND!
http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/
Ron Paul has locked up being on the Presidential ballot in Tampa — no matter what the criminal GOP does, it will be hard put to overcome the below (without getting into further federal lawsuits!).
At least 14 States Plurality:
1) Alaska
2) Colorado
3) Georgia
4) Iowa
5) Louisiana
6) Maine
7) Massachusetts
8) Michigan
9) Nevada
10)New Mexico
11)Oklahoma
12)New Hampshire
13)Virginia
14)Minnesota
15-20) Plus Several States that are “Unclear” as of now!
And 8 States Majority so far (only 5 are needed!):
1) Colorado
2) Iowa
3) Louisiana
4) Maine
5) Massachusetts
6) Minnesota
7) Nevada
8) Virginia
Bye, bye Perfidy Mitt — the UNBOUND delegates will vote you OUT, NWO-scumbag!
Time for YOU — Mitt Rmoney — to resign NOW in favor of Ron Paul, thus becoming a patriot to be remembered (before you get totally embarrassed and have your political carrier ended in Tampa)!
Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming
NO DELEGATES ARE BOUND!
http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/
If u believe Ron Paul has pluralities in all those states, you’re even dumber than you look.
Very well said SF!!
The GOP scammed Ron Paul out of his 15 minutes.
For an organisation that has surreptitiously rigged the votes from State to State, did you really think they’d stopped their devious ways?
Ron Paul to win against B.O.
Obomney to fail against B.O.
The Obomney backers have set up Obomney to fail against their real candidate, B.O. They can’t very well allow a genuine candidate like Ron Paul to win and have them all put in their place, can they?
Here we go for 1984. Oh well… it was good while it lasted…
Um… Let’s be blunt here.1) The majority of delegates have already been told how to vote by their state party. Nominees for delegates who noted that they were not committed to the Romney nomination in many cases were not elected to be sent. 2) The NRC has been sending out ‘surveys’ and ‘begging letters’ for months now – and ALL of them have Romney’s name as the sole candidate. 3) Most Republicans will do what they are told, ‘go along to get along’ rather than contest people in their own Party – their neighbors and friends and business associates – and be seen as a troublemaker.
The Republican Neo-Cons are terrified of Ron Paul. He is the conscience that reminds them that they are not following True Conservative Principles. They will deny Ron Paul at the Convention, because the truth is more than they can handle, and Mitt Romney is a ‘safe’ candidate who makes them feel all good about themselves and their Party. Romney will pick his running mate and it will not be Ron Paul – and the delegates will go along to get along. (Ron Paul as VP – virtually silenced and pushed into the background, just as Obama does with Biden, is not something Paul or any Paul supporter would want.)
Ron Paul will not be on your state ballots in November. Most people will vote for the lesser of two evils rather than having their vote not count at all – and the Repubs will go into overdrive telling everyone that it is Mitt or Obama, and a write-in will give the race to Obama. Once again through fear, the Repubs will manipulate votes.
And the truth is that, even if Ron Paul won the nomination and the Presidency, there are not enough Ron Pauls in Congress to push forth any of his plans. There are too many Neo-Con cowards and panderers like McCain and Graham to cut him off at the knees. Unless we “Clean House” (and Senate) we will continue down the path to socialism – either with Obama as the bullet train or Romney as the freight train.
The voters and delegates are being emotionally played, and played well. But the truth is that Romney was chosen before any State Convention was ever held – and not by the people nor the delegates. The electoral process is a sham to make people feel like they are in charge – which they haven’t been for over 30 years.
Dream on.
RP would be crazy to want to be the VP under Romney. I can understand that his campaign hacks would like the opportunity for continued employment, appointments etc, but the VP has no power to speak of, and if it were Ron Paul, they’d make sure of it. It would be the ultimate sellout for the liberty movement – give it a title and lock it in the back room. Why attach ones self to what will ultimately most assurredly be a failed presidency.
Ron Paul shell win, the delegates are not bound. Doug is way off base. The biggest problem is the NATO exercises set up for Tampa. That’s where they will try and take over. But they won’t succeed, our numbers are too strong. Go to the party if you can, it should be a blast.
“Mitt Romney Resigns!”
“Mitt Romney announced today (place date) he will no longer seek the Republican nomination. Instead, he pledged his full support to Dr. Ron Paul, who he trusts implicitly to be the only viable candidate to defeat Barrack Obama,” said a Romney spokesperson.
Mr. Romney’s spokesperson continued saying, ” Mr. Romney is making the ultimate sacrifice, for the good of the Nation, so wants to be remembered as the one that helped America be rid of Obama…as such Mr. Romney is a true patriot…”.
Questioned as to the real reasons Mitt Romney quit — the spokesperson said, “He only wants to be remembered as the Patriot that Saved America… that is his only reason”….and “…none of the below were a factor in his decision”…as claimed:
“That so many videos have been taped showing fraud on his behalf that TV mini-series could be made running for weeks,
Or, that he can’t get 100 people to attend his meetings, while Ron Paul gathers Real Americans in the several thousands,
Or, that he has broken rule #11 in collusion with the GOP, so he is about to be removed from many states ballots,
Or, that his shadowy party in Nevada, is further grounds for his removal as a GOP candidate,
Or, that he cannot garner enough delegates with all the cheating done on his behalf so far,
Or, that All National Delegates are NOT bound according to rule #38, and US election law, in Tampa,
Or, that his eventual loss to Ron Paul in Tampa will make him a national joke,
Or, that even if manages to CHEAT his way out of Tampa, his guaranteed loss to Obama will make him an even Bigger Joke…”.
No, none of these are factors, according to Mitt Romney’s spokesperson — “Mr. Romney quit the race today because he is a Patriot!”
And I agree, Mitt did the right thing — and we shall build monuments and name schools after him!
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Pass it on! Hopefully someone with brains in Mitt’s camp will see this syllogism and force it upon this dullard (for his own good)!
10 million Strong Americans need to descent on Tampa and take the nomination for Ron Paul!
If there was a “Million Men March” on DC (to ask for what they thought was right) we can have a 10 Million Men, Women and Children March on Tampa — to demand what we KNOW is RIGHT!
No more playing nice with these criminals in power!
Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!
(There are no other options — so, speak softly, and carry a Big Stick in Tampa!)
This is actually what my husband said….If we really want our voices heard then we need to March on the convention..I drive this country and let me tell you I have NOT seen ONE and I mean ONE Romney or Obama poster, bumper sticker,billboard…Nothing…but I do see Ron Paul everywhere. I think that speaks pretty loud as to what the people want for this country.
That is so amazing, and I’ve heard it from several sources….Think I’ll make my own bumper sticker: “Have you seen one Obama or Romney sticker?…How many Ron Paul?…what does that tell you about WHO the PEOPLE want?”
10 million :S I don’t know if Tampa can handle that many.. I’m sure there will be enough to handle the black op helicopters. Mr. Nice Guy is on the side of Ron Paul. Right makes right, might makes right.
Doug thank you.It takes a real man to admit he was once a douche. I join and aploud you> Thank you!jboaksmith@hotmail.com
What do you think of this Ron Paul supporter? He was the 2008 Travis County, TX (Austin) Ron Paul lead organizer: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2012/06/read-the-plano-bombing-suspects-e-book.html/
Rmoney shill spotted.
Poor Mitt must be getting desperate, to resort to having such idiots troll for him.
I live in Chicago and have generally voted Democratic.I feel as majority of both parties have been so corrupted by banks and Wall Street that, Yes we need to be liberated from them. Especially after hearing about the results of the very limited audit of the Federal Reserve. It has taken our country over a 100 years to accumulate a 16 trillion dollar deficit yet the the Federal Reserve can hand out money to banks all over the world to a tune of over 16 trillion in the last few years without any knowledge of our government. Just goes to show you how corrupt politics are. Mainstream banks like Bank of America, JP Morgan, Citi Group support Romney and Obama with the money that the Federal Reserve gave them. So please tell me that bankers are not running our government and imposing their will on us while we pay for it without our knowledge. So we the people need to speak loudly and clearly if we ever want to fix the injustices of our government!!!!!