GOP corruption in Missouri: An update

Last week this blog carried videos of arrests in St. Charles and near riots in other counties.  The GOP contest, which seems done to the national media, in fact, resembles the Russo-German front in World War II.

Read this report from Pamela Grow:

Every one of Missouri’s 8 Congressional Districts has at least one county caucus being contested; several have more than one.  Due to the nature of interpersonal communication among Paul supporters, who are legendary for both their fierce love of privacy and their individual initiative, I’m sure I don’t know about all of them.

Not every county (especially in the northern 1/3 of the state) has a formalized leadership structure among its Ron Paul supporters.  Doubtless there are a few “liberty vigilantes” (my term) who are not on anyone’s radar, who are trying to “clean up this town,” so to speak.  Well, perhaps that is not completely accurate; no doubt they have put themselves on the state GOP’s radar, if they have contested their caucus.  But that information is not discoverable by me, at this point.  Why would the GOP disseminate this information?  I can think of numerous reasons for them not to.

 
What I think of as “reverse” contests—from my perspective, Ron Paul-supporting delegates and alternates being challenged by the “anti-Paul” crowd—are completely concealed from me.  No doubt my status as an 8th CD and state GOP delegate has been challenged!  I can’t imagine on what grounds it could be.  Through all of this, though, I have begun to think that truth is indeed stranger than fiction, and I have tried to mentally prepare myself as best I’m able.  No one could even make this stuff up!


Missouri’s caucuses were potentially to elect 2,123 delegates both to their respective Congressional District (CD) and the state conventions.  This number will give you a reference point.

 
St. Charles, with its combined 59 2nd CD and 88 3rd CD delegates, you have heard about.  The caucus began with what I term the “picador-like jabs” of heavy-handedness, including police omnipresence, prohibition of recording, and corralling people–this was planned, as it primed the citizenry for angry outbursts.  When the county GOP chairman, as temporary chair, appointed the caucus chair, the vocal response of the crowd was completely predictable.  It is a testament to the self-control of the people attending the caucus that they behaved in as civilized a manner as they did.  You know by now that a completely fresh start has been orchestrated for St. Charles, which (in my opinion) disenfranchises those other counties who convened and completed their caucuses within the time frame given.

 
Clay, north of Kansas City, with its 23 5th CD and 55 6th CD delegates (78 total), has been contested by the capable and determined grass roots group there.  With a parliamentarian among them, they encountered every manner of irregularity, including a county chair who ran his own election as caucus chair, violations of privilege (no microphones with over 500 people in attendance), stalling tactics such as repeated vote counts (always producing different numbers), points of order from the floor being ignored.

 

If the initial vote count for caucus chair is indicative, the “establishment” (i.e., anti-Paul) chair nominee had 270 votes, the “Paul” chair nominee had 249.  If I seem short on details, it is because I have wanted to see empowerment of the grass roots liberty activists, and rather than intruding, I have given help when asked only.  The citizens in Clay are the ones who know the political culture there.  They are vested; they have the largest stake in the outcome.  It’s the old “give a man a fish, teach a man to fish” dichotomy.  If control and power is to be devolved downward, the people have to be capable of handling it.
Jefferson, south of St. Louis City and County, with 15 2nd CD, 39 3rd CD, and 19 8th CD delegates (73 total), is known to you.  The entire caucus slate to the three CD’s and the state has been contested.  The “old guard” in the county is no doubt threatened by a younger generation of Republicans there.  Because man is a mortal being, this problem will resolve itself later, if not sooner.

 
Cass, south of Kansas City, with 43 4th CD delegates, has been contested by the aggrieved parties there.  I’m told the two greatest concerns there were that the caucus time and location were changed less than 24 hours prior (against the stipulation in the Missouri Republican State Committee’s 2012 Call to Convention), and the delegate/alternate slates were manipulated by the caucus chair for at least 48 hours after the caucus adjourned.

The caucus is a deliberative body, convened and then adjourned, and has sole authority to determine the composition of the slates of delegates which issue.  For the chair to autocratically decide he would “credential” people off or on the rolls, after the caucus was over, is not how things are to be run.

 
Christian, east of Springfield and in the southwestern part of the state, with 37 7th CD delegates, has been contested by a faction within the Ron Paul supporting group there.  I have been unable to mediate any healing in that county.  I have no doubt that there were irregularities, but I doubt that Ron Paul supporters there were in the majority.  They may have been a significant minority, however, and with more capable and impartial leadership of the caucus, there would be much less angst overall.

 
Jackson County, with 144 5th CD and 35 6th CD delegates, is having 20 or so of its 5th CD delegates challenged, because these individuals do not belong in the 5th CD, but rather, the 6th.  The astoundingly dedicated Ron Paul supporters in Jackson were able to place their own delegates in their (redistricted) CD’s, but the 20 who are being contested were affiliated with another candidate, I’m told, and did not actually belong in the 5th.
Additional, smaller contests, that I’m aware of and the reason(s) for their contests–as I understand them–are:

  • Spanish Lake Township of St. Louis County (5 1st CD delegates):  parliamentarian took the chair
  • Crawford County (9 8th CD delegates):  disregard for RONR
  • Mercer County (2 6th CD delegates):  caucus chair put herself and another on the list, disappeared into a back room to count, returned and announced the election of delegates (she and the friend won), told a Ron Paul supporter who asked, “the ballots were destroyed–too late.”

One of the individuals involved in a larger county’s contest said, “Fish rot from the head.”  When the national leaders take an oath to obey and defend the Constitution, and violate that oath, the decay in the political culture inevitably spreads.  Astounding as these events are, I suppose I shouldn’t really be all that surprised.

56 Responses to GOP corruption in Missouri: An update

  1. annebeck58 says:

    Well, Doug- this has all happened for one reason. Many Paul supporters, myself included, had begged, cajoled, warned people to please GET THE PROOF of both fraud and coersive acts perpetrated by the “Old” GOP. I posted, in DAILY PAUL, and on twitter, and many other places: “Bring your cameras, video your vote; open your i-phones, and get this INFO”.
    On the night of Stupid Tuesday, I happened to be on the REVPAC site, in a chat-room filled with many Paul delegates. Some just returned from their caucuses and were very angry over what they were sure was FRAUD. Some had yet to caucus, so when I came across anyone who believed his vote was suppressed, i said: “Where is the proof? Did you video that?”. Nobody had. Yet that night, I had many state they would, during all caucus meetings after, video the problems as well as the progress.
    Then came these MO caucuses. And, certain folk I had talked with that night, DID video the vote process. We got a Do-Over, on a caucus (that is HUGE), which is generally reserved for when a candidate dies. I don’t recall ever seeing a re-do, either on the East Coast, or in Texas, where I’ve voted and participated for 36 years.
    What i am saying is this: BE a part of this, but do not be willing to sit back and accept the rules as told to you and as carried out by those you should not trust. KNOW the process. learn it (go to RonPaul2012.com to real all about what delegates do and how caucus conventions are supposed to run! Read Robert’s Rules! Know your RIGHTS as pertains to these votes.
    And, bring your camera and phones with you. Turn them on before anything “happens”, just in case the usual GOP tries to snow you with things such as nominating and electing Delegate Chairs without YOUR input. I have a great source to send this info to, so get in touch with me and I’ll put you in touch with that person.
    Or, send the info to the Ron Paul campaign, in your area. While you’re at it, send a copy to your State’s GOP HQ. Let them know we will not abide these acts!

  2. annebeck58 says:

    Hi, Doug! MORE updates, from RonPaulForums,com
    Nice:
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370705-GOP-corruption-in-Missouri-An-update

    (the establishment had better realize they MUST make way for NEW affiliates, or the GOP shall implode!)

  3. Lakawak says:

    More bullshit from our country’s biggest embarrassment Doug Wead.

  4. tex2 says:

    Sounds like puffery to me. LOL

    Why don’t you Paulites recognize most of the Republicans don’t want to put our national defense at risk with Ron Paul’s policies, and stop whining about not understanding how caucuses work? LOL

    • What you said sounds like a logical fallacy to me. With our troops here at home, our National Defense would be stronger.

      They wouldn’t be stretched thin, in harm’s way, in foreign lands, making us look like occupying enemies.

      Here at home, they’d have a clear mission and wouldn’t be guarding opium poppy fields (like they are now).

      That’s why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

      * Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

      * Avoid long and expensive land wars that BANKRUPT our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

      * Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

      * End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

      * Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

      * Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home.

      * Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.

      * Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.

      * Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.

      * Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

      As President, Ron Paul’s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected.

      “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.” – Ronald Reagan

  5. tex2 says:

    What you said sounds like a logical fallacy to me. – That’s because you’re a Paulite retard. LOL

    With our troops here at home, our National Defense would be stronger. —> No. If some of the troops (which includes Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps (pronounced corpse by our highly esteemed “leader” – LOL) and even Coast Guard overseas, we can’t deter bad actors or respond effectively when they misbehave. For example, disrupting Al Qaeda has resulted in very little terrorist attacks in the U.S. for the past 11 years. If we don’t attack them wherever they are, they can organize, plan, recruit, finance, practice, and execute future attacks. We could have had a soldier standing on every square foot of our border during 9/11 and the planes would have flown right into the WTC anyway. Why can’t you Paulites get this through your “freedom at any price” skulls? LOL

    They wouldn’t be stretched thin, in harm’s way, in foreign lands, making us look like occupying enemies. —> You probably don’t know this, but most of our allies WANT our presence. As a former Navy officer who visited several countries, you have an opinion, I have first hand experience. LOL

    Here at home, they’d have a clear mission and wouldn’t be guarding opium poppy fields (like they are now). —> Is that REALLY what you think they’re doing. REALLY? And you wonder why Ron Paul can’t gain any traction, his followers are NUTJOBS!!! LOL

    That’s why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

    * Make securing our borders the top national security priority. —> I agree with this, I thought Bush and Barry have done a poor job. LOL

    * Avoid long and expensive land wars that BANKRUPT our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks. —> There’s a reason why Congress passed a law called the “War Powers Resolution” which recognizes the president has the power to use the military with limitations. I’m sure part of the rational was Congress is often too slow to make a decision, and can’t be trusted with Top Secret information. LOL

    * Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act. —> Why don’t you use the court system to have the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional? LOL

    * End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight. —> Yes, let’s allow the terrorists to do all the activities mentioned above and make 9/11 look like a cake walk. LOL

    * Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged. —> See WPR above. LOL

    * Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home. —> We often don’t have time to do all of this up front. LOL

    * Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return. —> A simple “thank you” is enough for me.

    * Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget. —> Duh. Talking point.

    * Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency. —> What if we enjoy it? LOL

    * Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid. —> While I agree with this, it is a tiny part of our budget, so let’s not get too excited over a relatively small amount of money, and money that would be quickly replaced by other countries, such as Russia and China. LOL

    As President, Ron Paul’s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected. —> Zero out of 3 isn’t bad, but you just struck out! LOL

    “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.” – Ronald Reagan —> Ronald was following his own 11th commandment, then Ron Paul turns around and vilifies him. Also, Ron Paul was a flight surgeon, so he has little real military knowledge. I doubt Ronald would say that about RP if he were still around. LOL

    • HAHAHA! Too bad you didn’t do your homework and have to resort to lies and MSM talking points! LOL

      • You don’t even believe half of what you posted, so I have to wonder why you’d post it? Most of what you’ve said has been been completely debunked. And you DO seem like the type of girl who would enjoy a good groping from the TSA… that’s why you love being scared of terrorists that don’t exist. LOL

      • tex2 says:

        HAHAHA! Too bad you didn’t challenge a single point I made, and merely made a general sweeping statement with ZERO basis. LOL

        By the way, the TSA comment was one of the very few where I wasn’t laughing out loud at the previous commenter. LOL

        Interesting how that is the ONLY part you chose to “challenge.” LOL

      • Your points are illogical straw men — just like you…

        You don’t have to use the court to have the Patriot Act and NDAA declared unconstitutional. It simply is. Can you really legalize tyranny? LOL

        Are you really saying that since don’t have enough time to send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job, we should just send them in as cannon fodder for giggles? LOL

        A simple “thank you” is all you think they’re worth? It’s hard to believe a human being could think ensuring our veterans’ health care and benefits is something we shouldn’t honor, even though it was promised.

        So wasting money on a flawed military is a good thing? Talking point or not, I still like the idea of saving money and putting it to better use at home.

        Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid. —> While I agree with this, it is a tiny part of our budget, so let’s not get too excited over a relatively small amount of money, and money that would be quickly replaced by other countries, such as Russia and China. LOL

        Russia and China are going to send money to rich dictators through foreign aid if we don’t? LOL! Then why are we sending an average of $70,000,000.00 per year to Russia if they have so much to give? And China already owns us. They own over a Trillion of our debt and we send them all of our jobs so we have none😦

        Flight Surgeon or not, he still served. Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, and Obama did not. So he has more “inside” military knowledge than they do. You try to twist his service to diminish it. Doesn’t work. LOL

    • Slim Newberry says:

      Tex2 – War on terrorism is bullshit. You can nuke the entire middle east and sixty or seventy other countries and still fail to stop 10 wackos in a basement somewhere from carrying out a terrorist attack. Collateral damage… killing of thousands of innocent civilians is NOT acceptable. Every damn one of those attacks is an act of terrorism by the United States of America. I grew up Republican in an America that prided itself in having a military for defensive purposes only. In the fifties we had the confidence that if we were attacked by a foreign state (Like pearl harbor) that Congress would declare war and we would go after the country that attacked us until they surrendered in total defeat. The wars that are conducted now are not wars. They are military actions for the express purpose of protecting Corporate interests while feeding the voracious appetites of crony capitalists with the treasure of our middle income citizens. Every action since WWII has been an unconstitutional action with the full support of Congress and the various administrations. Our economy is on the verge of bankruptcy and we can’t afford to continue this criminal behavior.

      Vote Ron Paul… or Write in Ron Paul… or Vote Libertarian… or stay home. There is no such thing as a lesser evil between all the rest of the candidates, Dem or Republican. Evil is Evil.

  6. tex2 says:

    Your points are illogical straw men — just like you…—> Your points are illogical straw men — just like you…LOL

    You don’t have to use the court to have the Patriot Act and NDAA declared unconstitutional. It simply is. Can you really legalize tyranny? LOL —> That’s how our Constitution WORKS, you idiot. It’s called checks and balances. Just like Barry’s health care law! LOL

    Are you really saying that since don’t have enough time to send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job, we should just send them in as cannon fodder for giggles? LOL —> I said, “We often don’t have time to do all of this up front. LOL” In other words, our mission changes once we get involved militarily, the threats are not all known until we get involved, and I would be happy to use YOU as cannon fodder for giggles. LOL

    A simple “thank you” is all you think they’re worth? It’s hard to believe a human being could think ensuring our veterans’ health care and benefits is something we shouldn’t honor, even though it was promised. —> I didn’t say that. I said, “A simple “thank you” is enough for ME.” I didn’t say it is enough for all the others, nimrod. Read much? Also, having used the Veteran health care program once, I was not impressed. LOL

    So wasting money on a flawed military is a good thing? Talking point or not, I still like the idea of saving money and putting it to better use at home. —> There is no perfect military, so why don’t we just do away with it completely? LOL

    Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid. —> While I agree with this, it is a tiny part of our budget, so let’s not get too excited over a relatively small amount of money, and money that would be quickly replaced by other countries, such as Russia and China. LOL

    Russia and China are going to send money to rich dictators through foreign aid if we don’t? LOL! —> Yes, with much more restrictive strings attached. LOL

    Then why are we sending an average of $70,000,000.00 per year to Russia if they have so much to give? —> Because the programs are humanitarian in nature and also serve our interests. Because we’re not all an old man who doesn’t care about anything except his own, 18th century myopic view of the world, that’s why. LOL

    And China already owns us. They own over a Trillion of our debt and we send them all of our jobs so we have none —> China needs us, probably more than we need them. Are you saying there are ZERO jobs in the U.S.? Seriously? LOL

    Flight Surgeon or not, he still served. Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, and Obama did not. —> That doesn’t mean he has a CLUE about the military. LOL

    So he has more “inside” military knowledge than they do. You try to twist his service to diminish it. Doesn’t work. LOL —> I don’t think knowledge inside a 1960s hospital counts as “inside” military knowledge. I don’t have to diminish his service, it works for itself. LOL

  7. Let’s show everyone what Disinformation Tactics tex2 is using:

    http://www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm

  8. Off says:

    Doug for such an important and intelligent person your comment section seems to draw the worst of the irrelevant idiots lol. Respect due to Anne Beck though.

  9. Audrain County is also being contested. They barely had the majority, could have won, but still refused to follow RROO. The Chair yelled at people, got in a vetran’s face, ect ect. My boyfriend lives in that county and (on video) called for a point of order to read the rules and actually got the chair to admit he didn’t have them or know them. We submitted the videos and letters of contest personally at the Jeff City MO GOP office.

    • tex2 says:

      In the end, I think incompetence is more common than conspiracy. LOL

    • Surfisher says:

      The #2 is a Forum parasite — it only disrupts normal conversation since it hijacks all threads! It is a Shill, or IT could very well be a 300+lb, pimply shut-in, that lives in mum’s basement getting maternal sponge-baths since it is too massive to crawl to the bathroom upstairs — with its total life consisting of trolling only (spitting out hatred to all that is good)!

      Until BANNED — BEST to IGNORE this Waste-of-Protoplasm, and NEVER respond to IT!

  10. Surfisher says:

    BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

    Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

    No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

    The #2′s strategy is simply hitting the REPLY button (posting some vitriol), then another REPLY button — thus VIRTUALLY HIJACKING any thread from allowing others to directly respond to the original post.

    PUT a STOP to IT — send Doug the needed message/program to BAN/BLOCK this Shill from his blog!

  11. Surfisher says:

    Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug!

    Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 — by its hijacking of all threads— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

    Voting starts now:

    1) Surfisher — Yes

  12. Surfisher says:

    Dear Doug Wead,

    How can we have confidence that you are capable of managing Ron Paul’s campaign, when you are unable to manage your own blog?

    On any other Forum the destructive manipulations of “tex2″ would have been removed by a moderator, and the creature banned (regardless how many IP’s it uses, there are programs that can track and block them).

    On this, and even OTHER forums, I’ve read people saying that while they read your blog, they won’t post on it — since they don’t want to be verbally abused by the #2. Their take is: Why bother posting or replying here — the #2 is going to hijack the thread by peppering it with insults and non-sensical multi-replies….

    In the last 30 days, IT has posted more times than the combined total of all other posters (also, ITS total word count exceeds that of the rest)!

    Many good people are leaving your forum because of the above. Unless you take care of it, why should we stay?

    Are you paying attention to the people voting to BAN this waste-of-protoplasm?!

    So far the vote to BAN it from your site is:
    1) Surfisher
    2) Sharon Kuhn
    3) annebeck58
    4) christopher Deligate of Missouri
    5) donjusko
    6) sharksauce24
    7) sophiah8
    8) rmcnnlly
    9) BanTex2Al
    10) Wendy Jones
    11) Evan Godolphin

    Awaiting your reply.

    Sincerely, Surfisher

    • tex2 says:

      Crucify him…..crucify him….. LOL

      The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

      Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
      1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
      2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
      3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
      4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
      5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
      For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL

  13. Surfisher says:

    Vote YES to BAN the “tex2″ creature — your votes will be counted, and submitted to Doug!

    Our Future, as a Free and Prosperous Nation is too precious to ALLOW any Troll, such as the #2 — by its hijacking of all threads— to confiscate this Forum away from us (where Real Americans are trying to converse on what’s best for the US)!

    • tex2 says:

      Crucify him…..crucify him….. LOL

      The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

      Why Ron Paul would NOT be a good president:
      1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
      2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
      3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
      4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
      5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
      For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!

  14. Surfisher says:

    Vote YES :

    BAN *tex2* from this site IMMEDIATELY — Never allow IT to post here again! ALSO, DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF ITS TROLLING !

    Dear, Doug — this is your HOME page, and all of us posting here are your guests. Don’t know about your tolerance level, but mine ends when an unwelcome guest tries to set my home on fire, in order to chase out all the welcomed people I’ve invited!

    No normal exchange can be held here — since the #2 quickly fills in all REPLY slots….so no-one else can respond sequentially to what was stated before. This is its main goal (secondary is its spittings of hatred to all that’s good)!

    • tex2 says:

      Crucify him…..crucify him….. LOL

      The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

      Why Ron Paul could not be and/or would NOT be a good president:
      1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
      2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
      3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
      4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
      5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
      For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!

  15. Surfisher says:

    Vote to ban the #2 that pollutes this forum with its trolling.

    So far the vote to BAN it — ‘tex2′ — is:

    1) Surfisher
    2) Sharon Kuhn
    3) annebeck58
    4) christopher Deligate of Missouri
    5) donjusko
    6) sharksauce24
    7) sophiah8
    8) rmcnnlly
    9) BanTex2Al
    10) Wendy Jones
    11) Evan Godolphin
    12) Remmic Lewis
    13) Shane Mayfield
    14) jeffrey bohl

    • tex2 says:

      Crucify him…..crucify him….. LOL

      The Passion of the Christ is a good movie, but I don’t know if I want to watch it THAT many times in a row, so let’s take a break from this repetitious “program” and allow other readers to comment on the below serious and real issues that result in baggage for Ron Paul. Tell me what you think, let’s have open and honest discourse, and since I’m a First Amendment kind of guy, even the “list” above is welcome to chime in:

      Why Ron Paul could not be elected and/or would NOT be a good president:
      1. He is old, mousey, whiny, grumpy, skinny, etc. Do not underestimate the importance of these factors, as a very large number of voters are not familiar with the issues, and vote for vanity. Sad but true. It does no good to have good ideas when you don’t have the presidential image, and Ron has neither.
      2. He has been in Congress for 2 decades and doesn’t have a single bill to his name. We elected someone president with zero accomplishments in 2008, why would we want to do that again? How can you expect him to be able to lead the country when he can’t lead a single bill to fruition after 20 years?
      3. He even voted against his own bill to audit the Federal Reserve, because he didn’t get every single detail he wanted. He is so stubbornly rigid he simply takes his toys and goes home if he doesn’t get every little detail he wants.
      4. Many of his domestic policies are admirable, but how does he expect to implement them when he will have to work with Congress to get many of them turned into a reality? Will he simply hold his breath until Congress lets him get his way, because he has zero track record of using any other tactic to be successful?
      5. Most of his foreign policies are dangerous. If we pull out of foreign countries, the vacuum WILL be filled by Russia, China, etc. Once you lose your toehold, it is VERY difficult to expand military operations if the need arises. Think about how hard it would have been for the U.S. to fight Hitler if England had fallen. For example, if China decides they don’t want to allow free flow of oil, we would have no recourse, as it takes years, if not decades, to develop independent energy sources. He is simply naive to the point of being a traitor to his own country. Also, we need forward positioned military presence to fight the global war on terror. It isn’t being fought only in Iraq and Afghanistan, there are operations literally around the world preventing future 9/11 type attacks that simply cannot be fought by guarding our own borders, 9/11 should have taught us that. We must therefore disrupt the terrorist cells wherever they are, so they cannot organize, plan, recruit, train, equip, and attack again. To not do this would be suicidal.
      For the above and other reasons, Ron gets the pot smoking and “freedom at any cost” crowd, and that’s all he will ever get…LOL!!

    • Surfisher says:

      Here is another good one!

      (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTreAmnmZ0)

      send it!

      also:
      The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

    • Surfisher says:

      To all Americans:

      Spread this video of the only American Patriot — Ron Paul — running in this race!

      (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hgsg7a-Ok8Q#)

      also:
      The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

  16. Surfisher says:

    To all true Americans:

    Spread this video of the only American Patriot — Ron Paul — running in this race!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hgsg7a-Ok8Q#)

    • Surfisher says:

      Then watch Mitt the Joke:
      An EMPTY stadium with about a hundred sycophants only… mostly yawning.

      Then see the THOUSANDS of REAL AMERICANS and their genuineness on Ron Paul’s rallies!

      But the main media never shows this REALITY — so, are we to stand by and allow them to steal this Election away from us — when clearly the TRUE Americans have spoken?!

      Spread this video!(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMVY5u9RuW8)

    • Surfisher says:

      Here is another good one!

      (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkTreAmnmZ0)

      send it!

      also:
      The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

    • Surfisher says:

      Send this video!

      Romney=Twoface

      (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI7g&feature=player_embedded)

      also:
      The #2 is a paid shill to troll and disrupt this forum with its spewing of hatred. So real Americans can’t converse here without IT hijacking all threads. That’s why this subhuman needs to be banned. One NEVER responds to IT — its existence is to be ignored.

    • Surfisher says:

      Rmoney — “Staff, get me some internet trolls to spew forth hatred towards my opponents.”

      So they run this ad:

      “Looking for 300+lb pimply failures that live in mum’s basement.
      Must be hateful of all that’s good (since you hate yourself most because of the waste of protoplasm you’ve become); unable to crawl away from the computer, so mum gives you monthly sponge baths (also, occasionally removes the bedpan).
      Why post your venomous spittings for free, when we’ll pay you handsomely to be our Shill — a fistful of food stamps and a bottle of hooch each week!”

      That’s how the #2 got this “lucrative” job — why troll for free, when it can shill for so much more….

      (hope I didn’t misspell ANYTHING important….)

  17. Surfisher says:

    “Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson could pull as much as 6% of the vote in a hypothetical three-way match-up with Mitt Romney and President Obama. Johnson began the 2012 race running for the Republican nomination but has wound up carrying the libertarian banner and could gain ballot access in several states.”

    If the above transpires, it is a certainty that Mitt will not defeat BO (with his flip-flopping, he couldn’t defeat him anyway, now this would assure it).

    So he needs to withdraw now in favor of Ron Paul!
    ————————————————————————-

    Ron Paul WILL become President in 2012 — IF, Romney becomes a Patriot, and forgoes his ego, for the Good of the People!

    Mitt Romney could become one of the greatest Statesmen in US History! He’d be the Savior of our Nation — the one that generations to come would tell their children: “Look at this statue, this is Mitt Romney, he saved America”!

    Or, he can reduce himself to just a tiny footnote…what is amazing is that his fate rests in his own hands (a very rare occurrence throughout the history of the world)!

    All Romney has to do, is to take advantage of this rarest of historical moments, and make a SINGLE DECISION!!!

    Withdraw his candidacy IN FAVOR of Ron Paul, with the following grandiose and heart-wrenching patriotic speech (to save his political skin):

    “I, Mitt Romney, will sacrifice my political goals for the Good of the People. Now I understand that only Ron Paul that can save our Nation. I agree with all he stands for, therefore, I have deemed that our Nation’s salvation can only be accomplished when Ron Paul is elected as President of the United States of America. Without regret, but with joy, I do the most honorable and patriotic deed I can — I withdraw myself from this election, and give my full support to Ron Paul!”

    One honest person is needed to bring these logical conclusions to Romney’s PERSONAL ATTENTION (not the myopic sycophants surrounding him and stroking his ego by chanting wishful thinking as ‘fact’: “You gonna win Boss, you gonna win Boss….).

    Regardless how egotistical, arrogant and narcissistic Romney may be, some semblance of reasoning of what’s best for him, should still remain in his skull. The instinct for self preservation dictates that even the smallest of minds will chose the path that leads to safety, not the one leading to disaster.

    An honest realist needs to talk to Romney one-on-one — and explain the following to him, so Mitt can comprehend it:

    1) If you don’t win the nomination, than your political career is over (you’ll become just a tiny footnote in US History as a failure).

    2) If you win the nomination, and don’t defeat Obama — which is the most probable outcome (you’ll become just a tiny footnote in US History as an even LARGER failure).

    Therefore, Dear Mitt, whichever gamble you take from the above, may lead to total disaster for your political career (and probably will)!

    However, here is an action you can take, Dear Mitt, that guarantees you’ll become immortalized in the annals of US History — becoming the 21st Century Savior of America (surely this carrot of success will entice Romney’s egotism to go for it — over the probable political beatings he’d receive otherwise)!

    All one needs to do, to assure Mitt’s Historical Greatness of Sacrifice for the Good of the Nation, is to present the above to Romney’s eyes alone! I urge all able to do so, to place this document in front of him!

    Send this to Mitt Romney — as an Open Letter, e-mails, etc. — the more you send, the greater the chance he’ll get to read it!

    • Surfisher says:

      Ron Paul MUST stay on course — keep up the uphill battle to win as many delegates as possible (that the GOP does not prevent him to do, by their obvious chicanery)!

      Ron Paul needs to take Rmoney to Tampa. Then, the PERFIDY of the GOP will be Nationally telecast (hundreds of thousands of Real Americans supporting the only Patriot (RP), vs a few hundred mousey sycophants for Mitt Grosny, will be hard to dismiss)!
      —————————————————————————

      The American People have long known that the Democrat Party cheats and lies — so they are used to their chicanery (the reason, many call them Democrooks).
      It is high time that they NOW see the GOP is no different — the Republicons fraud, cheating and strong-arming to “elect” Mitt Grosny, may finally have a televised exposure!
      ——————————————————————————–

      After the Tampa Convention — which will probably be the most memorable of spectacles this last 50 years — Ron Paul should take the best path that assures he’ll be part of the Presidential debates vs BO.

      Ron Paul MUST be part of the Presidential debates — so, people can judge the difference between a real Human and plastic sub-humans!
      —————————————————————————————

      It is not unprecedented for a candidate to be the standard bearer for more than one party (I think in 1896, William Jennings Bryan was the nominee of the Democrats, the Populist Party, and the Silver Republicans; and I believe in 1872, Horace Greeley was nominated by the Democrats and also by the Liberal-Republican Party).

      Doug Wead — hope you have similar strategy in mind!

  18. Surfisher says:

    *Mitt Romney, American Parasite*

    (Mitt Grosny — Romney The Terrible (my prefered title))

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31153.htm

    It explains how Bain Capital worked. They would buy SUCCESSFUL companies, with little down, borrowed huge amounts, saddling them with crushing debt, refused to continue equipment purchases or maintenance. Then they would pay themselves huge “management” fees.
    —————————————————–

    Some notable excerpts:

    “Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses,” notes Josh Kosman, who has written about the private equity business for 15 years. He’s “more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses.” (The host must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt, then slowly bled to death…until the parasites drain all the wealth for themselves).

    “When Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. “He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers,” Kosman says. “They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan.” That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney’s first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn’t account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.

    “The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, Morrow says. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers’ children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.”
    —————————————————-

    A must read (long) article recommended to all!

    Share it!

  19. Surfisher says:

    Ron Paul to WIN — or America to End 2012

    Take your pick…there are no other options!
    —————————————————————
    Ron Paul must take Rmoney to Tampa — to expose the GOP’s perfidy — when hundreds of thousands of Real Americans will come to the Convention voluntarily, supporting Ron Paul, the ONLY REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT in this race (vs a few hundred BUSED Rmoney bullies pretending they are actual people)!

    If the Republican Convention cheats Ron Paul out of The Nomination — then, go Third Party!

    There MUST NOT be a way allowed, for Rmoney to “debate” BO one-on-one — since this will be a Clowns’ Show (two liars trying to out-lie each other…when they are one-and-the-same HUMAN TRASH)!

    Ron Paul MUST be part of the DEBATES — so, he can clearly show up THESE politically trained monkeys for what they are — The ULTIMATE Destroyers of the USA!
    ————————————————————–

    Elect Ron Paul as President, if you want to Save America — vote for anyone else, if you WANT to DESTROY the USA!

  20. Surfisher says:

    Superb parody of a “debate” btw Rmoney and BO — SHARE IT!

    (Note the exquisite sardonic touch — only one person is watching the two clowns….LOL!)

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vWVdOTFs8M&feature=player_embedded)

    Ron Paul to WIN — or America to End 2012

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