Ron Paul and Iran?

Ron Paul has a perfectly logical explanation for why we might have to get used to the idea of an Iran with nuclear power, and he points out, our current policies actually encourage Iran to pursue nukes.

We have six wars going now, with numerous opportunities for more on the drawing board. We could go into Somalia and clean out al-Qaida and this time, as opposed to our $ 1 trillion war in Iraq, they are actually there.

Likewise, we should have a war against North Korea, the most repressive regime in the world where weapons of mass destruction actually exist.

We could invade Syria. There is a great opportunity to get rid of a terrorist enemy in President Bashar al-Assad? The natives will help us. But such posturing is ridiculous. America is broke. Our endless wars are destroying us. We have lost sight of Thomas Jefferson’s maxim, “The more you use your power the less you have.”

Do any of the other candidates really believe we should now start a war with Iran to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons? As John Derbyshire pointed out in his piece in the National Review, “Which Republican candidate advocates such a course of action? If the answer is ‘none’ [which of course it is], then what, in effect, is the difference between Dr. Paul’s Iran politics and that of Romney, Bachmann, Perry, and the rest?” Other than the phony rhetoric and demagoguery? Not a hill of beans.

Iran’s neighbors, China, Pakistan, Russia, and Israel all have nuclear weapons. And that Israel is well able to take care of itself. Thirty years ago, June 7, 1981, in Operation Opera, Israel took out Iran’s developing nuclear program. That was at time when American presidents were not dictating what Israel could or could not do.

Paul would end American veto power of Israel and let them have its own foreign policy. He points out the absurdity of giving $ 3 billion of aid to Israel $12 billion to its avowed enemies. We are funding both sides.

Likewise, all the posturing about sanctions is ridiculous. When we invaded Iraq, we found that the German company Siemens had built entire factories in Baghdad and the French were open for business, lying through their teeth in the United Nations, while making a fortune off the sanctions by doing a bustling business with Iraq. Sanctions only hurt the poor in a given country and keep American businesses out. Nobody else but the United States pays the slightest heed.

“Of course, we don’t want more nuclear weapons,” Paul told an interviewer on Fox TV yesterday. But building up the country with more war fever is feeding a false promise. We don’t want more wars either.”

34 Responses to Ron Paul and Iran?

  1. tex2 says:

    Doug,

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    You have demonstrated a total lack of understanding, oversimplification, and naivety.

    Oh yeah, that’s right, you’re for Ron Paul. LOL

    • Scott Bain says:

      Tex2,

      For someone that claims to be good at debating “the best and brightest” you strike me as an imbecile. Oh, that’s right, you worship Rush Limbaugh.

      See how that works?

      Now, if you would like to expound on your previous comment, we can debate the matter.

      • tex2 says:

        Sure, I’ll start with the first point. Ian and nuclear weapons. The issue isn’t whether we are giving them the incentive to have nukes, the question is whether they should have them. Iran has gone on record several times as saying Israel does not have the right to exist. Iran works closely with terrorist groups, who would love to use a nuke against other countries.

      • Scott Bain says:

        Tex2,

        The decision on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons is not up to us, and the sooner you & your kind stop thinking that it is, the less ‘terrorism’ we’ll have in this world.

        Can Israel not defend herself? Does she not have many nuclear weapons at her disposal this very minute, …WAITING to obliterate her enemies? If you care so much for this media-driven conflict then I why are you not on the battlefield?

        Did the Iranians [and the rest of the world] always hate us, or think us a bunch of ignorant fools? Of course not! Meddling in the affairs of other nations, and the dereliction of our duty as a well informed citizenry is the very reason for the ongoing hostilities.

        As with the dwindling numbers in your camp, you try to treat the symptom of the disease, while paying no mind to it’s cause.

      • tex2 says:

        You’re right, it’s a UN call: http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/WMD/treaty/ and the sooner you & your kind stop thinking that it is only the U.S., the less ‘terrorism’ we’ll have in this world.

        Israel can defend herself ONLY if the U.S. is present to back her up. Neither the U.S. nor Israel want to use their nuclear weapons, but theses weapons are a deterrent.

        I was on the battlefield, I served on the USS Texas, CGN-39, a nuclear powered, nuclear weapon capable cruiser (since retired) that sailed to dozens of foreign ports, along with many other ships, to demonstrate we were willing and able to face down evil.

        I can assure you the rest of the world does NOT hate us. You speak from ignorance, I speak from, “been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.” The ongoing hostilities have a lot more to do with 4 airplanes used as weapons almost exactly 10 years ago.

        As with the dwindling numbers in your camp, you try to treat the symptom of the disease, while paying no mind to it’s REAL cause.

      • Scott Bain says:

        So you’re saying that only the Iranians hate us, and the rest of the world enjoys our over-aggressive, globe-spanning military presence? Ha!

        This didn’t start with September 11, why do you reference it as if it did? Stop avoiding the question and tell us why they attacked in the first place. Let me guess, it’s because we’re free and prosperous? Don’t make me laugh in your face.

        Yeah, I think that I’ll take my own personal experiences over the claims of some jingoistic troll who can’t put things into perspective.

      • tex2 says:

        No, the stupid comment that the entire world hates us came from YOU, dipshit.

        Our military presence has done more to keep the peace than to start wars, “genius.”

        I never said “this” (whatever the hell THAT means) started with 9/11, I said, “The ongoing hostilities have a lot more to do with 4 airplanes used as weapons almost exactly 10 years ago.”

        That in no way implies it STARTED with 9/11, but it DOES mean, “The ongoing hostilities have a lot more to do with 4 airplanes used as weapons almost exactly 10 years ago.”

        The terrorists did it for a variety of reasons, not the least of which they think we should become Muslim or die.

        Go ahead and use your “personal experiences” (what is that, whacking your pud?) over the experiences of history and from people who were personally involved.

        Then at least do something consistently stupid and vote for Ron Paul!!! LOL

      • Scott Bain says:

        I recognize a dead horse when I see one. Have fun being a brainwashed troll!

      • tex2 says:

        I recognize a brain-dead Paulite when I see one. Have fun being a brainwashed troll! LOL

      • Nicky Nelson says:

        WARNING: Tex is an ignorant war-mongering troll with a borderline personality disorder that attacks women, spews obscenities and attempts to waste freedom fighter’s time debating, if that’s what you want to call it. Ignore him and he will go away.

      • tex2 says:

        WARNING: Nicky N. is an ignorant pacifist troll with a borderline personality disorder that puts men, women, and children at risk, spews obscenities and attempts to waste responsible freedom fighter’s time debating, if that’s what you want to call it. Ignore her and Tex will continue to get in the last word. LOL

    • Frank Zvovu says:

      You haven’t explained how we can afford to keep going to war while going broke and having an overextended military. I guess in your eagerness to take your Ron Paul dig, you neglected to actually come up with your answer. Good job!

      How naive is it to point out that we can’t be the policeman to the whole world? You neo-cons also act like Ron Paul is the only one to say this. It’s a shame that the Republican Party has been hijacked by a bunch of interventionist, Reagan hating, UN loving, fake conservatives.

      • tex2 says:

        We have become better at using special forces, intelligence, diplomacy, etc., to combat terrorists. This will save lots of money. The other choice is to let the enemy win and have 9/11 events on a weekly basis. We can afford that less than the military option.

  2. Jason says:

    For an enlightening read I recommend ‘Blowback’ by Chalmers Johnson. Blowback is a term used by the CIA to explain terrorist attacks, genocides, murders, etc that are directly and indirectly related to US military operations around the globe. We cannot defeat terrorism by using the same strategies that bred it in the first place.

    Its time Republicans begin to see the hypocrisy of a pro-war/pro-small government ideology. It is insanity. War is the health of the state.

    As George Will recently said, “”Conservatism seems to be saying government can’t run Amtrak, but it can run the Middle East.”

  3. Jason says:

    Doug, I would be curious on your take on the recent Jeffrey Lord article.

  4. Nicky Nelson says:

    Well said Jason and great article full of truth and sanity Doug – Thank you for reporting the facts; it’s refreshing and rare. I will share this with my freedom groups!

  5. Porter Davis says:

    Great article, doug. Ignore the stoopid minion trolls.

  6. Tommy Jefferson says:

    Typo June 7, 1981, in Operation Opera, Israel took out Iran’s developing nuclear program. should read Iraq. otherwise it’s a great piece.

  7. Ken says:

    I’m all for starting preemptive wars with Iran, North Korea and Syria because bad people live there and we need to make the world safe for democracy. Oh and I also believe that money grows on trees.

  8. JoeydaCat says:

    That Jeffrey Lord article is a sham. How anyone can equate calling someone a Neo-Con or part of the military industrial complex with Anti-Semitism? He’s way out to lunch.

    Wanting to keep our country from being run by multi-national corporations (that sell the American people out only so that the next quarterly report can earn them a few extra pennies/ share) has nothing to do with hating Jewish people. Completely unbelievable that anyone even pays it any regard.

  9. Dominic Caraccilo says:

    The quality of life and security for the citizens has been largely restored and we are a large part of why that has happened.

  10. Nicky Nelson says:

    If anybody is interested in what is really going on in Libya, this is great information. Then ask yourself who is against these wars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q11R56Y0Dx4&sns=fb We need to get this information out! Please re-post! This is an important freedom fighter action item. Iran is next on the Globalist Baksters’ killing machine list.

  11. tex2 says:

    You can’t be serious, that is an obvious propaganda video. And you wonder why most people don’t take Ron Paul serious? He has so many followers like YOU! LOL

  12. Nicky Nelson says:

    Hi Doug! You were great in this! THANK YOU! http://youtu.be/GR4WYqabTxU

  13. Sue says:

    I posted this on another blog some time ago, and I think it could bear repeating here.

    In the past 10 years, for wars that had nothing to do with America, the total cost to our country averages out to be
    4 TRILLION dollars a year. That’s 4 TRILLION American dollars every single year for 10 years. Guess that sorta
    explains why our national debt is so high.

    Gulf War – 36 Billion
    Libian conflict – 600 million
    Iraq War – 805,880,015,283
    Afghanistan – 430,068,135,789

    That’s a tremendious amount of money that should not have wound up as a part of our national debt and that’s not considering the interest that keeps growing and growing and growing.

    if we had stayed home. Our economy would be looking a heck of a lot better.

    Ron Paul ask the question, Why should the US be responsible for policing the world?
    __________________

  14. Sue says:

    My last entry should have read, “Ron Paul asked” rather than “Ron Paul ask”

  15. Gulf War – 36 Billion – Numerous UN resolutions, Saddam invades Kuwait
    Libian conflict – 600 million – Qaddafi slaughtering his people
    Iraq War – 805,880,015,283 – Saddam not following UN mandates, significant evidence of WMD (and later found he had the materials, people, and knowledge to restart program), uses chemical weapons on own people, has terrorist training camps
    Afghanistan – 430,068,135,789 – where terrorists were training for next 9/11, repressive government

    There are many places we have NOT “policed” as well. However, the above represent the higher priority countries. We would be dead if Ron Paul was president in 2001 and did not respond as we did. DEAD. No other country would stand up for us. THAT’S why the U.S. should be responsible for “policing the world.”

  16. Nicky Nelson says:

    WARNING: Tex is an ignorant war-mongering troll with a borderline personality disorder that attacks women, spews obscenities and attempts to waste freedom fighter’s time debating, if that’s what you want to call it. Ignore him and he will go away.

    • tex2 says:

      WARNING: Nicky is an ignorant pacifist troll with a borderline personality disorder that puts men, women, and children at risk, spews obscenities and attempts to waste responsible freedom fighter’s time debating, if that’s what you want to call it. Ignore her and Tex will continue to get in the last word. LOL

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