Is GOP Gang Rape of Todd Akin legitimate?

No question that Republican Senate Candidate Todd Akin misspoke when he said “legitimate” rape instead of “actual” rape.  And yet the fact is that such misstatements happen weekly with Vice President Joe Biden.  They pass.  And Akin’s position on abortion is exactly the same as the GOP platform as stated in Tampa.

So why the vicious attacks on Akin from the GOP establishment?  Why would the Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, break Ronald Reagan’s famous Eleventh Commandment, “Thou shall say no ill of thy fellow Republican” and openly attack Akin, his party’s chosen senate nominee?  If Romney can pick and chose which Republicans to support, how can he purge Ron Paul delegates at the RNC who refused to endorse him?

Why would Karl Rove tell a room full of fat cat, GOP insiders, “We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!” ?  And if Akin’s comment demanded censure, why wouldn’t Romney condemn Karl Rove’s murderous comment?

Why is Rob Jesmer leading the charge to dump Akin?

For Romney, this may be about settling scores with the evangelical wing of his party.  (See Romney’s Revenge.) For Karl Rove, like everything he does, it is only about money.  For Jesmer this is about undoing a primary election that his man, Brunner, lost fair and square.  (Jesmer was the one who famously pushed for Charlie Crist to defeat Marco Rubio this year.  Oops.)

Akin is a marine who doesn’t back down easily.  Notwithstanding the carpet bombing he has experienced at the hands of the national media, Obama and his own GOP brothers, he has now pulled even in the polls with his liberal Democrat opponent.

In the Reagan years, where Republicans supported Republicans and insider pettiness was given no quarter, he would get support from the establishment and he would be a shoe-in for the U.S. Senate.  In this new, myopic, brownshirted, GOP, run by a Romney led oligarchy, who knows what will happen?

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73 Responses to Is GOP Gang Rape of Todd Akin legitimate?

  1. annebeck58 says:

    Well, Doug, here’s the thing: Akin should never have attempted to “qualify” rape, at all. He used the word, “legitimate”, which was wrong. But, “actual”, would have been just as wrong.
    And he was wrong in his backwards assessment regarding whether or not a woman’s body CAN prevent pregnancy, even when it’s the most violent rape, possible. Even women that have been gang-raped have ended up pregnant in this scenario (this happens in parts of Africa, every day.)
    The article and doctor cited, by Akin and his cohorts, did not exactly apply or make sense. Yes, stress can prevent pregnancy but only when it’s a constantly stressed woman. But, we should be discussing the fact that most women that are raped are not (prior to the act) living under same constant stress-levels.
    Medically speaking, a normal and healthy woman who does not stress out over every little thing does produce eggs, regularly. If this same woman happens to be raped within the 72 hours of producing this egg (or eggs, as some of us do produce more than one at once- hence, fraternal-twins), this woman is easily impregnated, regardless of the FACT that she was raped. The woman who IS constantly-stressed, such as women who are desperate to get pregnant, will definitely find it more difficult to find her self pregnant. But, if the woman is one who generally lives a healthy, unstressed life, she is likely to be in that (albeit small) percentage of women who find themselves pregnant following rape. And, it is these women, in particular, we need to protect.
    And, though I could never have gone through an abortion, myself, I do not feel it is my right to have a say in regard to what any other woman does with her body.

    Rape is RAPE; there is no “legitimate rape”, or, “actual rape”, to it. Believe, you, me; it is a terrible thing to have to live with the memory of, so for us (Americans or the US Govt) to tell any woman that she has to then deal with the pregnancy and raise the child, or worse, put said child up for adoption, is completely wrong.

    This is why I was so very offended, as a human being, regarding what Akin said.
    Thank you.

    • fazsha says:

      In the American Journal OB/GYN , vol. 113, May, 1972 pp. 91,97 Hayman & Lanza “Rape in the District of Columbia”, of 2,190 rapes between 1965-1969 reported by private clinics, hospitals and doctors, there were 23 pregnancies. Akin’s point is that in the cases that it happens, why take it out on the baby? If we place women’s emotions above everything else, then why aren’t women defending the right to smother their 2 month old child? Akin, far from being politically incorrect, actually has a very valid point, and it is Romney who is embarrassingly out of step.

    • ronpaulfreedom1 says:

      I believe what they say ..I was kidnapped by a serial killer when i was a 17 and held 48 hours and it brought on my period which was not due i bled like a stuck pig!..Thank God there is a God He got me out of that situation but no way i would have gotten pregnant if i had of been raped!..A friend of mine was held at knife point and raped..she did get pregnant and her own Evangelical church kicked her out and told her to have a abortion..She was on her way to kill her baby and i prayed the Rosary the Sorrowful Mysteries like i have never prayed them before as soon as i finished the last prayer she called and was crying saying she didn’t know what was happening as she had many abortions..but couldn’t go through with this one..I said ” it’s the holy Spirit ,God doesn’t want you to kill your baby..Well she had a Beautiful baby girl..the only girl she had..she always wanted a little girl..They are best friends and she is so grateful she didn’t go through with that abortion.Our Lord can bring great things from great evil, If we just trust in him ,he will see us through!!!

      • annebeck58 says:

        I am sure it’s fine for you to believe whatever you wish to believe, but this does not explain all of the women in Africa who are now dealing with babies (and I mean young girls, too), after being violently raped.
        At seventeen, your body is just beginning to regulate itself, so that menses was brought about by stress could have been possible- or it could have been due to first time, particularly violent, sexual experience.

        Re-read what I said, and read the article that Akin has cited. He is using something, written decades ago (first of all), which is not exactly valid, given what we now know. The article does point to the probability of a woman’s body not complying (regarding pregnancy) only when the woman is already living a stress-filled life, and making getting pregnant “work” is quite stress-inducing. This is my point.

        Regardless, and though I have been in the situation where many women have chosen abortion, I have not been able to make that choice. Yet, it does not mean I am the barometer that should be used against all women. It is not my say and it is not your say what any woman does with her own body, unless that body belongs to the person making the decision. You will never get me to agree with you on that point, especially by spouting religion! Not everyone believes, religiously, as you do. For this reason and because this is the United States and we have certain freedoms, you are not allowed to force your opinions on others, when these opinions affect their lives.

        You and I will never agree on this one point.

    • Jim says:

      Ron Paul used the term ‘honest rape’ and no one blinked (except his critics).

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/04/ron-paul-tells-piers-morgan-only-honest-rape-merits-abortion/

      Maybe Akin just needs a shot of estrogen?

      • annebeck58 says:

        A lot of how someone says something has much to do with what sort of response he gets.
        Yes, though; Akin may benefit from a small shot of estrogen. Perhaps the Newt knows where he may obtain it?

      • Jerry Fair says:

        I remember Ron Paul saying that in a debate and no one asked what he meant by honest rape. It seems like a contradiction in terms to me. What exactly is “honest rape?” Is that where the guy goes around bragging about raping someone and so they say at least he is honest about it?

      • Raul says:

        I think by honest rape Ron Paul meant a rape that actually happened and the alleged victim did not simply make up a story.

      • annebeck58 says:

        Yes, Raul.
        I think two things are important when using such a phrase (or the like).
        1. Intonation, and,
        2. Reason.

        I know Dr Paul has stated that he has no problem with using shots of estrogen or the morning-after pill, in cases of rape, to prevent implantation (for women who have ovulated within 72 hours prior to being raped). And it’s standard practice in the majority of e.r.s.
        What Akin was talking about, the woman’s body ridding itself of a rapist’s sperm more readily than a loving partner’s sperm, is just inane. It’s backwards thinking. We know more about this than we have any other time in history.
        And “lady parts” (for those who are offended by usage of medical terms, to not work that way. They are not bullet-proof, nor are they “rapist-sperm”-proof.

        I think Akin does not know what he’s talking about and has consistently dug himself a deeper hole each time he opened his (ugh- stupid, uneducated) mouth.

    • ronpaulfreedom1 says:

      Your right annebeck we will never agree on this point,your way is a cop out ,your just sitting on the fence.The point is quite simple it is only the Women’s body before she gets pregnant..Once she is pregnant It is someone else’s body a unique person with a completely different genetic makeup.If u read my article it says i wasn’t raped. This was brought to America by Margret Sanger Hitler was her mentor.There are many books on her life and very cheap on ebay you should really take the time to read why abortion was made legal in America.She was funded by the Rockefellers and they called it Eugenics and Population control..Her aim was to get rid of what she called the slum mothers of the world and those were African Americans.She wanted all abortion clinics placed in the Blackest of neighborhoods.She believe in free sex with anyone..This is not freedom it’s Slavery and today with STD’s can be a death sentence..They came up with birth control pills and said that would take care of teenage pregnancy..after that was excepted teen pregnancy skyrocketed.
      Of course, it’s a licence to have pre marital sex. Women do have a right to thier own bodies before they get pregnant. Everyone knows sex causes Pregnancy. They are irresponsible and so is the male. Why should we have to get taxed for someone else’s stupidity? We didn’t get her pregnant. The fathers should have to foot the bill at least half and i do mean half 250.00 a month hardly is half of what it cost’s to raise a baby, a child and teenager,It certainly won’t even remotely pay for collage.Millions of good well to do people can’t have children and since it was her mistake ,Why should her baby innocent of any crime without Judge or Jury be Executed? A women in her ninth month of pregnancy can abort..She could be in Labor and have a Abortion as long as that baby head is inside her vagina it is considered by a small percentage of Americans now a Fetus. It makes them feel better even though we all know it is a live full grown baby. one day later when the baby is born if she were to kill her baby she would be convicted of murder and sent to prison.Partial birth abortion can be full term the doctor turns that child breach and jams scissors into it’s Brain and sucks the brains out..They have to open a women’s cervix’s and place a inflatable Dilation (or dilatation) and curettage inside her she is sent to a hotel in horrible pain .The next day they insert another one that opens the cervix wider and send her back to a hotel all alone in horrible pain..The next day they insert another one and send her back to a hotel a third time..This is a dangerous procedure. Then they turn the baby and use the scissors and suck out the babies brain..Other procedures the murderer cuts the baby;s limbs off and pulls the person out piece by piece..another procedure they inject saline into the amniotic Sac and burn the child alive. Just about a weak ago Planned Parent hood caused uterine perforation on a women’s uterus the baby was born alive..She was hemorrhaging to death and the baby was born alive..They waited 5 hours before calling 911..The women died and they left the live baby in a cold steal bucket to die..This happens on a regular basis but is rarely reported. Planned Parenthood is being sued in almost every state right now because of just this reason..The doctor’s( Murderers) quickly and quietly leave that State and open another clinic in another State..The Cervix is a muscle and once forced open like that women once they decide they want a baby they suffer miscarriage after miscarriage..That muscle cannot be opened like that unless she is in labor and a natural delivery takes place, The Hormones released during delivery naturally open the cervix. This is the United States and i have freedom of speech and can say whatever i want to say and pray where ever i want to pray. As it is Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion and it cannot be infringed..read your Constitution and bill of rights! Abortion is not Freedom it’s the murder of another human being that needs to be protected under the fourteenth amendment..The Declaration of Independence guarantees, Our rights to our “LIFE, LIBERTY and PURSUIT of HAPPINESS”
      I will not pay for anyone to have a abortion with my tax money..We have come to a point in our society that people need to start being responsible for themselves. Our Government can’t make you do anything Contrary to your Religious beliefs..It’s time for Christian America to stand up and hold thier States Responsible for infringing on our religious freedoms..Making anyone except Police, Fire fighters and People who work in hospitals and paramedics not have to work on the Sabbath because both the Jewish faith and Christian faith allow the work on the Sabbath only in a severe case like someone’s life may be in danger do have to work. on the Sabbath ..The same goes for the Jewish Sabbath
      In Fact this is not a suggestion to someone of the Jewish or Christian Faith this is a Commandment that we must obey!!God didn’t make Ten suggestions he made ten commandments and most of them are State and Federal Laws! We got most of our laws from the Bible itself!

      • annebeck58 says:

        We did not get most of our laws from the bible. We got them out of social norms and mores. One does not need to read the bible to know right from wrong and one surely does not need to go to church to find same.
        I raised my children away from religion and they are two of the most giving and respectful people I know. They have never picked up a bible (except for a laugh when at the grandparents’ house). They did not need it because they learned how to care about others, as themselves, from me.
        And I will never agree that a woman who’s been raped should be forced to bring a child into the world. Do you know what it feels like to go though all of this (first rape, then growing this child)? Can you imagine what adoption feels like? Any scenario we plan for a woman, after rape, that has been impregnated is not correct. This is and should be completely up to the woman (or girl).
        As I said, I have been in the position where abortion WAS a reality I faced. I did not take that option, but i know enough people (diverse people) who have chosen that option and it was never done easily or lightly.
        We do not have the RIGHT to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their own bodies. And, in nations where abortion is “illegal”, abortion still happens– and many women still die. I do not think we need to go backwards into that time.
        Re: religion and law(s)? phfft.
        Something is wrong with people who believe they would not be decent people without the bible. That thought is pretty silly.

      • annebeck58 says:

        I am not sitting on any fence.
        As I have said; I could not, personally, go through an abortion- and I was in that position that you’ve gone on about (most likely with less information than me). BUT, I do not believe it is right or correct, in any manner, for me or YOU to say what a woman can do with her body- and I mean ANY woman
        Perhaps you should read what I said? If you want to use Ron Paul’s name to spout freedom, you ought to think about what he’s said; it is NOT the government’s RIGHT to say it cannot happen or can happen.
        Cripes. Read or do not respond to me.

  2. Donnie says:

    Thank you Doug. The corruption of the GOP is more prevalent than even I could have imagined. I appreciate your efforts in exposing it.

  3. Not all verbal gaffes are created equally. Not all misinformation is equally damaging. Rape is, reasonably, a sensitive topic. I see no problem with Republicans (or anybody else) wanting as much distance as possible from Akin’s comments. That doesn’t excuse “making hay” politically in the process, especially by fellow Republicans, but I don’t think too much needs to be read into people disassociating themselves from Akin’s cluelessness.

  4. Donna says:

    Doug Weed writes: “No question that Republican Senate Candidate Todd Akin misspoke when he said “legitimate” rape instead of “actual” rape.”

    Funny I didn’t hear you say the same about your boy Ron Paul when he made thousands of women shudder in disgust with his “honest rape’ comment. But of course you are on Ron Paul’s payroll so you wouldn’t condemn his statement would you?

    • fazsha says:

      Ron Paul was trying to distinguish between women who have actually been raped versus those who want to use the medical system to avoid pregnancy after the fact by claiming they’ve been raped when what they did was consensual but unprotected. He just doesn’t want women to abuse the system set up to treat, yes “legitimate rape”, I said it, victims. I know you want to shout me down and say a woman would never lie about being raped, but to that I have two words – Tawana Brawley.

      So there is no need to “condemn” Ron Paul for making a distinct point.

      • annebeck58 says:

        And you know that chick’s name because she is NOT THE NORM.
        Do not try and tell me rape does not happen as it is one of those crimes that happens more than many others. We have such a disturbing number of cases transpiring in this country, the whole of America should be ashamed. People who speak out against the women who HAVE BEEN RAPED are part of the problem. It is people, like you, that convince rape-victims (another phrase I abhor, but cannot think of a better one, right now) to never report what has been DONE TO THEM.

    • Jim says:

      Like fazsha says, Ron Paul walks on water!

    • Surfisher says:

      ‘Jim’ — the troll — (previously banned from posting here as “tex2″ shill) pollutes this forum again with its vitriol.

      Ignore this PERNICIOUS creature — do not reply to it.
      ————————————————————————————

      In case you forgot, this subhuman, like the Bilderberg Gang, wants to see Ron Paul dead:

      (JIM says: July 9, 2012 at 8:07 am “….The good doctor looked really feeble in that last message to the faithful. … Vegas odds say he (Ron Paul) DOESN’T LIVE to see Tampa.”)

  5. ronpaulfreedom1 says:

    Doug you just haven’t figured it out ,have you?..There is no more Republican and Democrat parties..They both have the same end game a one world banking system and a One World order and day after day i read u putting down Jews and Catholics and praising Evangelicals.You just don’t get it, America has been Compromised by the elite. George Bush is one of them big time!!!..No more Nice guy Republicans ..There is no more parties the Party is over..If you think the GOP and RNC is Corrupt which we all know because we supported the only class in this act Congressman Dr. Ron Paul Just wait until the National Election and see just who is better at stealing votes and Stuffing ballot boxes.I see people disappearing, We have a man in the White House that isn’t even a American and they all know it..He was hand picked, for this job and if he can’t finish it Romney will!!!

  6. Rod Carew says:

    Attacking and eating your own is very popular when there is another message to be sent.to those watching the attack.Maybe this is the Oligarchy’s way of making sure Obama gets back in.Plenty to reflect and meditate on…

    • annebeck58 says:

      This is essentially what I’ve been saying, since Iowa (January);
      Mitt Romney is a fall-guy.

      RNC has decided it’s worth losing this (s)election and somehow convinced the (idiotic) GOP of same. Their actions, over the past eight months, have made this much obvious.

  7. bhspinnaker says:

    In a country that practices separation of church and state, all this talk of religion in political context is mindboggling. This country will never heal until it stops manipulating voters based on differences, and starts concentrating on things we all have in common. The devide and conquer game is what has destroyed America. Millions have fled the republiCON party because of evangelical, zionist and neo-con influence and the concentration on social issues like abortion, birth control same sex marriage and the like, instead of legitimate government functions like delivering the mail, securing the border and regulating the money supply (all of which have been abdicated for inability of the government to perform). They now call themselves “independents”, the largest block of registered voters in the country. They understand what the problem is, while the two parties are only interested in continuing it. Its all about power and money to the two (actually one) parties and not about the health of the country and the people they claim to represent. A government that can’t even deliver the mail can not create jobs and economic prosperity.

    If you vote republiCON or demoCRAP, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

    Gary Johnson for president!! Send the two parties a message.

    • annebeck58 says:

      Except for the Johnson part, I agree.
      Many of us, these past few years, went back to the GOP to take it back, away from the religious neocons (how’s that for a contradiction in terms?). We are sick to death of mindless bible-thumping neocons telling us what we can and cannot do. We would prefer these people just go back to the constitution of OUR nation, and leave the bible out of it.
      And i cannot believe I just spent time arguing with a bible-thumper who uses a screenname that includes, “Ron Paul”- yet thinks a woman deserves not even the most basic rights in regard to HER OWN body.
      I find that disturbing.

  8. Mary says:

    Dr. Thomas Hilgers, an ob-gyn who is the chief researcher in developing the Creighton Model of Fertility Care and NaProTechnology and the founder of the Pope Paul VI Institute for Human Reproduction, has done some research on the effects of stress and ovulation. Women, who are under stress, often have delayed ovulation which results in a delayed period or missed period. If ovulation is about to occur when a woman is raped (or is under other stress…either acute or chronic) the stress may cause ovulation to be delayed and a pregnancy may not result. Todd Akin’s comment is not completely off but because most people are ignorant of the working of a woman’s menstrual cycle and the complex hormonal dynamics going on, they are quick to rush and say that he is speaking nonsense.

    • annebeck58 says:

      And I still disagree, as do many researchers.
      The (usual) one-hour or less in which a rape takes place is not enough time for the woman’s body to delay ovulation.
      This is the reason I say the study cited is not exactly correct.
      Yes, as I agreed; stress will prevent ovulation. It’s why doctors have been advising women (try to obtain pregnancy) to, “go home and take it easy.” (I am not saying that works, just that doctors long before studies saw the corrolation ‘tween stress and ovulation problems.)
      The fact that it is a rape-scenario, as opposed to consensual sex, does not stop ovulation which has already occurred (or will not stop it at all, as it’s impossible), I can imagine that a rape violent enough would prevent implantation, but I would say it’s not generally the case. The most violent rapes on our planet are taking place in parts of Africa, now, and quite a few of these women are coming away from it with children, too.

  9. ronpaulfreedom1 says:

    FACE IT AMERICA IS VOTING FOR ANOTHER NON CHRISTIAN..ANOTHER FREAK WHO DOESN’T BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF OUR LIVING GOD AND THEN READ WHAT HAPPENS TO ANY COUNTRY WHEN THEIR LEADERS TURN THIER BACKS ON OUR LORD? READ WHAT OUR FOUNDERS SAID WOULD HAPPEN, COMPLETE DESPOTISM..NO MORALS, AND NO I WILL NOT BE TOLERANT OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND HOMOSEXUALITY..EXECUTING A HUMAN BEING IN THE MOST PROTECTED PLACE IT SHOULD BE..RIGHT IN IT’S OWN MOTHERS WOMB BUT MOMMY AND DADDY DON’T WANT ME BECAUSE I’M A INCONVENIENCE..IF YOU THINK KATRINA WAS BAD AND ISSAC,YOU HAVEN’T EVEN BEGUN TO SEE THE WRATH OF GOD ALMIGHTY ON THIS NATION. MASS ABORTIONS ON DEMAND, STERILIZATION THE HARVESTING OF THESE BABIES ORGANS, BONES AND EYE’S,HOMOSEXUALITY, SAME SEX MARRIAGE, PORNOGRAPHY, DRUGS, ALCOHOLICS ..WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT SIGNED INTO LAW THAT OUR MILITARY COULD COMMIT SODOMY AND BEASTIALITY.TEST TUBE BABIES, FETAL STEM CELL RESEARCH FROM ABORTED BABIES, COLLAGEN FROM THEM PUT IN THE MAKEUP WOMEN WEAR AND SHAMPOO CONDITIONERS,BRITAIN CREATING ANIMAL HUMANS THROUGH CLONING..NEED I SAY MORE? IF I WAS GOD I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY MERCY THANK GOD I;AM NOT GOD..HE DOES HAVE HIS JUSTICE THOUGH AND WE ARE JUST BEGINNING TO SEE THE BIRTH PANGS..TURN AROUND NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!..U POLITICIANS WHO HAVE MADE GREED, POWER AND MONEY YOUR GOD..U WILL TREMBLE, HOW WILL YOU BE ABLE TO EVEN LOOK AT HIM WHO DIED TO SAVE U?

  10. Jjan says:

    Akin did not “mis-speak”

    Akin’s views about rape and abortion are precisely those espoused by the Republican platform for the government to force raped women to carry the rapist’s offspring to term..

    Ryan and other prominent Republicans are being nauseatingly hypocritical as they heap criticisms upon Akins to hide their true intentions.

  11. Pat Jack says:

    In order to control any biological species, one must control their reproductive habits. This is a fact, it is indisputable, and there is no rational argument that would preclude this fact from being true in the past, at this moment and in the future. If you have worked on a farm, or had a cage full of mice or gerbils, you know this to be a fact. WHY we do what we do is far, far more important than “what” we do. Just sayin’.

  12. Pat Jack says:

    If I had a daughter, and she was made pregnant, and I, my family, and my daughter made a decision as to what to do, and another person came along and told us what to do, and threatened us with force to intimidate and coerce us to do something that was against our decision, would It then be justified to shoot or imprison that person attempting to force their will on me and my family?

    If an official of the Chinese Communist government attempted to enforce a reproductive policy on your with force, would actions would then be justifiable?

    If the Catholic Church attempted to enforce a reproductive policy on you and your family, what actions would be justifiable?

    If any person … through use of force …

    Food for thought.

    • fazsha says:

      http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/rape-pregnancies-are-rare-461

      Here’s the article Akin probably relied on.

      So my reciprocal question for you is; if you had heard that your neighbor had suffocated their 5 month old daughter, would you claim that it was the family’s sole right what to do with her? That the government should not have a say in protecting her life? That if other neighbors objected, they were just being busybodies?

    • Jjan says:

      You hit it. The use of force.

      I am pro-life. I don’t believe in abortion as a form of birth control.
      If a person engages in behavior that has a predictive possible outcome then that person is responsible for the fruit of their actions,

      Although I do not agree with abortion, under certain circumstances I understand it. In those circumstances, a woman needs compassion and mercy. Not judgement and force. The government needs to stay out of it.

      • annebeck58 says:

        Wow. That statement; “..abortion as birth-control.”
        You must not know many women.
        Having volunteered in different clinics, I have met women who’ve undergone abortions (and though it is not usually medically necessary, there are a few instanced when I know it was). I have never, once, met a woman that underwent abortion without giving it a lot of serious thought and has gone through a lot of soul-searching. The terrible feelings about abortion that these women live with are not something I’d wish upon anyone. I do not believe it’s reasonable for others to assume anyone would use abortion as “birth control”.
        It does not happen and most doctors (at least I have never met one, but presume there may be one or two out there) would NOT perform an abortion just because.

        People need to talk with others who have had some experiences different from their own before they judge these others. I find that judgement just as despicable as abortion, itself. Yet, I would never try and tell anyone what they can do with their bodies, though I never could have an abortion, myself.

        It’s very irritating to hear from people who’ve never even been in the situation that would make considering abortion a reality, deciding things for those who have and are. I have been in that position, though I did not consider abortion for long, I did think about it. Until you know others reasons, you should all just not say anything.

  13. Jjan says:

    The question was: “Is GOP Gang Rape of Todd Akin legitimate?”

    My question is: Was the GOP Gang rape of Ron Paul and his supporters legitimate?

    • Surfisher says:

      RNC — the Kukla, Fran and Ollie Show!

      This excerpt describes my experience also:

      http://lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski288.html

      “I spent a day of my life at the 2012 Republican Convention. The plan was to stay for full four days, but the choreographed and staged “decision-making” made the 2,000 plus delegates irrelevant. Republican Party members hoping to see democracy in action were left staring at a fuzzy gray screen, listening to static, beating their heads against padded white walls. No free man would subject himself to such idiocy. As Doug Wead so delightfully put it, the party has been reduced to “ten fat men sitting in a room.”….

      • Jjan says:

        Hey annabeck58,

        This is a response to your reply to me above.

        My stance on abortion is a purely legal one. We live in a republic. Our nation is to be governed by the rule of law not the will of the majority as in a democracy. Our form of government is to protect the rights of the people. Even the minoritys.

        The founders of our great nation said: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

        A woman has the right to do with her body as she wishes.

        But when a woman becomes pregnant by her own actions, weather she intended to or not, it is no longer just her rights that matter. That brand new, little tiny human being inside her has the same right to life as any other. And the fifth ammendment of our constitution protects that right.

        5th ammendment:” No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, NOR BE DEPRIVED OF LIFE, LIBERTY OR PRPERTY WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

        The Supreme court in Roe v. Wade ruled on the womans right to privacy according to the 9th and 14th ammendments. It rejected the unborns right to life arguement stripping it of its unalienable right to life. Now the unborn can be deprived of life without due process of law for any reason.

        I understand that there are myraid reasons to justify abortion. The truth of the matter is though, the unborn has the right to live.

        States used to have exception laws. Rape, incest, medical reasons. But those are all gone now.

  14. Surfisher says:

    My take:

    “The GOP is smarter than we”!

    While, We The People, have hopes of saving our Nation — THEY, the GOP Elite, has none.

    We are idealistic — believers that Truth, Liberty and Justice will eventually prevail, thus saving US from imminent economic collapse and the loss of all freedoms!

    The GOP Establishment has no such illusions — THEY want to assure that ONLY THEY and THEIR OWN have first dibs on the choices pieces of meat, when the carving of the American People starts. THEY do not want rejuvenation of the Republican Party, nor is stagnation enough — PURGING is needed, so THEY are first in line to pick our bones clean when the economic collapse starts. (Same goes for the Dems in power).
    ——————————————————————————-

    We, the Real American People (the producers), are the HOST — and THEY, the Non-Producers, are the Parasites!

    While the Host was strong and healthy in the past — the parasites fed well with little notice on OUR loss.

    But, NOW the Parasites have become GREATER than the HOST — meaning in order to survive, THEY have to suck MORE blood out of US than we can produce for ourselves, let alone THEM.

    Realizing this, THEY are preparing the road ONLY for THEMSELVES and THEIR OWN to strip our carcass clean (after they’ve sucked US dry).
    ————————————————————————

    Now, back to working two jobs Real Americans, so you can produce some more to feed THEM longer…until THEY are finally ready to send you to the glue factory… (“Animal Farm” by George Orwell).

    • Jim says:

      Surfisher is copy and pasting from Mein Kampf now? I knew it was only a matter of time.

    • Surfisher says:

      ‘Jim’ — the troll — (previously banned from posting here as “tex2″ shill) pollutes this forum again with its vitriol.

      Ignore this PERNICIOUS creature — do not reply to it!
      ————————————————————————————

      In case you forgot, this subhuman, like the Bilderberg Gang, wants to see Ron Paul dead:

      (JIM says: July 9, 2012 at 8:07 am “….The good doctor looked really feeble in that last message to the faithful. … Vegas odds say he (Ron Paul) DOESN’T LIVE to see Tampa.”)
      .

  15. View from my study says:

    POINT ONE
    A unique new life begins at conception. This is Biblical teaching and it was the process when the Holy Spirit came upon the Virgin Mary and Christ was conceived. It is not only a doctrine of the early Christian fathers and the Roman Catholic Church but has been held to by Bible believing protestants since early reformers such as John Calvin who was very clear and strong on the sanctity of the preborn person.
    Furthermore, modern science has confirmed that a unique, separate life begins at conception which recieves a contribution from both father and mother and is part of an ancestral line.

    POINT TWO
    Todd Akin was referring to actual forcible rape. Depending upon the data and the bias of the researcher, various conclusions can be reached as to the frequency or infrequency of a pregnancy following. Forcible rape is a horrible decadent crime. The baby is not the criminal.

    POINT THREE
    Todd Akin has been hounded by elites and libertines of all parties because his philosophy is grounded upon enduring Christian and moral teachings and principles. And we live in a society that is sinking further and further into a cesspool of debauchery and tyranny.

  16. Surfisher says:

    Final Conclusion:

    The BO, the Destructor of the USA, is now a shoo-in — thanks to the RNC’s perfidy!

    p.s. — Should the other political monkey (Rmonkey) win by a long shot — Our total economic collapse and COMPLETE loss of all freedom will be delayed…by 2 and 1/2 days more….

    Mutton Mitt, you are looking better and better now….

    • Jim says:

      What does any of this have to do with Todd Akin or abortion? Your 2 responses are pure spam.

      • annebeck58 says:

        Well, the last part is what bothered me the most, though there was a lot of spam to get through, too.
        I am shocked anyone that was at the convention and received that sort of treatment from Mitt would ever say he looks better.
        I wonder what kind of a mind can make that leap- so easily.
        As I’ve said more than once (if we’re getting back to the s-election), anyone who can go from supporting Ron Paul to saying Mitt’s not bad, to supporting Mitt, has to have been brain-damaged. I think these people should seek medical attention.

    • Surfisher says:

      annebeck58 —- it was sarcasm….

      • Jim says:

        It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Obama and Romney aren’t even tagged in this blog entry! It’s spam no matter how you look at it. Mr. Wead is moving on with his life. So should you.

      • Surfisher says:

        ‘Jim’ — the troll — (previously banned from posting here as “tex2″ shill) pollutes this forum again with its vitriol.

        Ignore this PERNICIOUS creature — do not reply to it.
        ————————————————————————————

        In case you forgot, this subhuman, like the Bilderberg Gang, wants to see Ron Paul dead:

        (JIM says: July 9, 2012 at 8:07 am “….The good doctor looked really feeble in that last message to the faithful. … Vegas odds say he (Ron Paul) DOESN’T LIVE to see Tampa.”)
        ..

  17. bhspinnaker says:

    OH, hypocricy of it all. The repuliCON platform, and more importantly, its two top candidates, are pro-life. But only pro-life if that life hasn’t yet been born. Once born, life doesn’t matter any more, at least according to the republiCONs. To wit, both Romney and Ryan, as well as their party platform, support bombing foreign countries and killing innocent people because they covet their resouces – especially oil (a sin according to their own religious belief system). They justify this by conjuring up fantastic and unsubstantiated tales of nuclear weapons and calling foreigners “terrorists”. Defending ones home and resources is not terrorism unless your a republiCON zionist/neo-con. As the saying goes, “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. It all dependes on who the aggressor is. If life is precious, all life is precious, not just those we arbitrarily choose to call precious. Perhaps some long, sobering looks in the mirror are what’s in order for the republiCON party. But the self-righteous will never do that. They have a direct line to heaven and they’re doing their damnedest to get there SOON! But the simple fact remains, social engineering is not a legitimate function of the federal government under our Constitution. Just as those referred to above will never understand the hypocricy of their position on life, they will never understand the hypocricy of their position on social engineering.

    If you vote for a republiCON or a demoCRAP YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!!

    Gary Johnson for president. Send the parties a message!

    • annebeck58 says:

      Actually, the NeoCONS on top (and I will never call them Republicans), are PRO=WAR. Pro-War is not Pro-Life.
      How can anyone try to go there?? Let’s all protect embryos but not once these people that grow enough to survive out of the womb, who cares?
      Also, if these tools were pro-LIFE, they would not be for embargoes and killing people (babies, women,even pregnant women, and innocents of both sexes and all ages) with DRONES, Depleted-Uranium, etc..? How do these people, with a clear conscience, bomb cities and the countryside, with DIME, if they care about LIFE?

      Just another plate of opposite set in front of the usual Republidrones and they swallow it up fast.
      Anyone who says he or she is Pro-Paul, yet is pro-WAR, has no idea what *s*he’s talking about. Ron Paul is a man of peace. I will always go the way of peace.

      • Jjan says:

        Well said annabeck, They are not Republicans, they are Neo-CONS.

      • bhspinnaker says:

        The term zionist encompasses not only the faux semite Khazars and their minions, but also the evangelical semites such as Huckleberry, Santorum and Ryan and their minions as well – all of whom are war mongers. It is the republiCON way with their “Project for a new America”. As Dr. Paul has said, “they have lost their way”. May they wander in their wilderness forever! Its time for Americans to move on and save this country!!

      • bhspinnaker says:

        Sorry, meant evangelical zionists.

      • annebeck58 says:

        Yes, I knew what you meant– and I completely agree.

        I don’t know, though; how do we move on and change or save this? I honestly don’t know if it’s possible as of this past week’s doings. We’ve lost the chance to vote for delegates, which means we have zero say-so in national elections (though I am sure,now, we have had no say since Dubya put-in E-vote machines..)

        It is a frustrating prospect.

      • bhspinnaker says:

        Vote for Gary Johnson. Tell pollsters you are going to. With a 15% rating he will be in the debates. He would be the only “second opinion” voiced. And, he would be in the Paul tradition. Paul can not run because of “sore loser” laws.Those who think they are going to change the republiCON party from within are naive in the extreme (yes, I’m afraid that includes both Paul’s). There is too much money wrapped up in that party for it to change. War mongers, the foreign banking cartel and wall street will not give up their power – ever, unless forced out. A new third party that represents the overwhelming majority of Americans MUST be started. That overwhelming majority includes folks who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It excludes the extremes that the two party system has come to represent. In truth, the extremes of the parties are more apparent than real. They keep the public distracted and fighting over minutia, but nothing changes regardless of which is in power. While Johnson may not win, he will keep the movement alive in ways Dr. Paul never could. He’s young, articulate, witty and energetic. We might all be surprised at the public response if he makes the debates. And, if he should win, Dr. Paul could be his Secretary of Treasury.

      • annebeck58 says:

        Sorry, his willingness to go with, “Humanitarian war”, and not closing GITMO, causes me to not compromise my principles and go with Gary Johnson. Sure, he may be better than the RNC/DNC choice, but as others have mentioned; he is RonPaul-lite.
        As I am an individual who stands on principles (my dad was like Ron Paul– or Ron Paul is a LOT like my dad), I will be writing in Ron Paul, my only choice.
        I do not care if my vote does not count. I’d rather it not count than have it counted for O-bot or Rom-bot.. I refuse. I will do as I planned to do, for quite some time; write-in Ron Paul. If one person sees my vote and thinks (which is a big IF), my vote meant something to someone. Regardless, though; it will mean something to me. I cannot be swayed.

  18. Harry Lime says:

    I have posted a couple of comments in which I have made reference to Romney’s Mormon faith, contrasting it with the faith of evangelical Christians, even sometimes arguing that within the Republican Party there sometimes crop up control issues as between the faiths.

    Exhibit A: Congressman Todd Akin.

    I sometimes refer to the Romney Offshore Mormon Money Machine to highlight the schism and the power play.

    It has not surprised me that my comments are deleted instantly. Mainstream journalism judges when certain lines of appropriate commentary are crossed.

    But the more I think about it, the more I think what an extreme double-standard the mainstream journalists employ in ferreting out those occasional comments. For mainstream journalism does not screen “Obama is a Muslim” commentary. I don’t know whether Obama is a Muslim, of course. At best, he was a follower of truly bent nominal self-proclaimed “Christian” pastor Jeremiah Wright, and that is bad and deeply anti-American enough.

    Yet Romney admits he is a Mormon, and Christians cannot comment about that.

    Is that fair, balanced, or accurate? Or is that a set of rules that grossly unfairly plays to Romney’s benefit at Obama’s expense? Not that the latter should be considered a bad thing.

    • annebeck58 says:

      Well, the MSM is owned by the same folk who own both the RNC and DNC.. so don’t expect that fair-and-balanced applies to them or to our ability to have our say, either.
      This nation is so far gone, I don’t even know where to go, now. My son gets angry when I say I want to leave the US.., but even he’s in Japan (for now) and not dealing with the garbage we’ve had forced upon us.

      I just don’t know anymore/

  19. Sanjay says:

    When I look back at the unprecedented decline of the West, it is clear that Whites have lost touch with reality, life and commonsense.

    They fail to see that other ethnic groups like Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Sikhs, Muslims, are powerfully organized to ruthlessly defend and advance their group interests.

    They get billions in free money and largesse from US govt under the garb of minority loans, affirmative action etc as White businesses are ruthlessly forced out, and White children are denied college admissions and decent careers.

    Atomistic Whites are gullible, naive and losing the battle big time. This is pure racial socialism, where Whites are giving away resources to Jews, Blacks, Hispanics and Asians who enjoy higher fertility at the expense of sterile, gullible Whites.

    Millions of Non-Whites are migrating to Europe and America and extending their territory and power even in traditional White homelands.

    100 yrs ago Whites were 35/100 people worldwide, today they are only 9/100, and in 50 years Whites will be near extinction.

    No libertarian has ever won in a non-White majority district. No one ever will. This libertarian metaphysics will prove completely suicidal for Whites.

    Pat Buchanan and Professor Kevin Macdonald were the wisest of all observers. They have been warning what is going on in America, but gullible Whites keep digging their own grave.

  20. Julia says:

    How I wish they had done the same to Ron Paul for his “honest rape” comments.

  21. celticreeler says:

    Sorry if I repeat anything…I just couldn’t wade through all those comments.

    My thought is that Congressman Akin is not a party guy, and the elite think that they can’t control him, so he had to be ambushed to say something they could use. Their real problem is that he might be for repealing (or at least would entertain repealing) the 17th; at least he said as much in a debate in May. That hit them too close to home. He needs to go to their re-education camp.

  22. celticreeler says:

    Oh, Jjan, isn’t it almost creepy? The income tax, the Federal Reserve, the direct election of Senators…a diabolical trinity, surely.

    “Not another hundred” should be our motto.

  23. Surfisher says:

    Clint Eastwood’s speech — mocking the BO and Biden (the delaware bidet). Also some good points on Politicians are OUR employees, and should be fired when failing us, among other good points and a silly one that the Mitt is a job-creating businessman (when his whole history at Bain is that of US job eliminations).
    ————————————————-

    Note*

    This actor (professionally trained in speech and elocution) stumbled, bumbled and stuttered most of the time — yet still got a standing ovation (for the mixed bag of goods he delivered). So, an American Movie Icon is exempt from the MSM ridicule.

    However, when Ron Paul stutters on occasion when delivering an absolute and undeniable Truth — the mainstream media JUMPS all over and tries to belittle him.

    Gee, one would think that a True American Patriot — Ron Paul — deserves at least the same respect, if not more, than an actor!
    —————————————————-

    Clint’s 11 minute video:

  24. Surfisher says:

    Note*

    Keep in mind that the misinformed American majority (bombarded daily by MSM propaganda) are being misled that an election by choosing Mitt or the BO is WHAT our RIGHT to VOTE is all about.

    Both are financed by International (dare one say: Jewish?) Financiers, aka Banksters. So, a win by either is a WIN by THEM — and a loss to US.
    ———————————————————

    The way I see it being scripted — Bankster’s owned Media says:

    1) “Hey, Americans — you didn’t like the BO as President, so your voice counted and the Mitt won”.

    2) “Hey, Americans — the Mitt did his best, but your votes counted so the BO won again”.

    Conclusion: “See, your votes “matter” — long live our voting system”!
    ———————————————————-

    Does anyone of merit find fault with this obvious scenario?

    • Surfisher says:

      On International Financiers (now named to match their proper occupation: financial Gangsters —Banksters — trying to control the World by Usury) this is the best BOOK to see their MO:

      NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY (1971 by Garry Allen) — read it!
      ——————————————————————————–

      Other eye-opening works were published by Henry Ford — under the heading “The International Jew”! Must read material from the 1920′s —shows Henry Ford’s astuteness!
      ——————————————————————————–

      Today, let’s see if this is false about our Government zeal?!?

  25. Surfisher says:

    P.S. Don’t forget to sign this petition: Ron Paul to run against these two puppets!

    Ron Paul — Run as an Independent!

    Sign petition below:

    http://www.ronpaul2012.net/

    A REAL Human Being (Ron Paul) needs to be present at the “Debates” — we just can’t allow a Punch-and-Judy Show (the Rmoney puppet parleying with the BO puppet) — someone with REAL SUBSTANCE needs to expose these two clowns!

    Ron Paul is the only one capable of this!

  26. Jim says:

    Ron Paul is NOT going to run third party (or are you calling him a liar?)All those countless hours spamming the internet for nothing. Looks like we’ll read about surfisher going postal in the next few days ..watch it and weep

  27. Surfisher says:

    *Logical Repercussions After the 2012 Presidential Selection*

    (listed by the most likely outcome — note: ‘Selection’ since no longer can our votes be termed ‘Election’)
    —————————————————————————————-

    1) The BO wins — and further tries to plunge our Nation under its Socialist Programs aimed to completely destroy our Economy and Liberties. However, most of its teeth have been pulled by the Republicon wins in 2010, and some more of the same in 2012 — so, it is nearly toothless, if it wins the Selection.

    [[Remotely possible worst case scenario --- it, the BO, declares Marshall Law in the near future (under some pre-planned "catastrophe" already home-cooked by it, and its sycophantic staff), thus trying to emerge as the "Benevolent" Dictator of USA to "save US all".]]
    ————————————————————————-

    2) The Rmoney wins — this creature has stated it will support whatever its Money Donors tell it to do! Expect the International Jewish owned Central Banks and Federal Reserve to instruct IT to attack Iran IMMEDIATELY (in order to protect Israel…from a possible, in maybe 10 years, manufacturing a single crude “atomic” bomb).

    [[Viable worst case scenario --- a Rmoney win, along with the expected Republicon wins in Congress and Senate, will give the Mitt a sure boost to attack not only Iran, but Syria, and any other nation IT, the Mitt, wants, to please its Masters that Selected this creature!]]
    —————————————————————————————

    So, for ALL of you that think voting for the Lesser of Two Evils is OK — make sure you figure out which one is “LESS EVIL”!

    JUST VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE — and do not reward these creatures by acknowledging their existence!

  28. Jerry Fair says:

    Romney or Obama. Pretty scarey if you ask me. But then nobody asked me or anyone else. We are all just supposed to get in line and vote. No thanks. I will vote for Gary Johnson or sit it out.

    • Surfisher says:

      Write in Ron Paul for 2012 President is online!

      Vote and spread it like wildfire!

      http://writeinron2012.com/writeinBlog/about-us/

      —————————————————–

      A vote on principles is much better than a No Vote — and a trillion times better than voting for what one perceives as the “lesser of two evils”!

      My take:

      This election has been reduced again to voting for the “lesser of two evils” (but which one is the “lesser”?).
      ——————————————————-

      All indicators point that Rmoney is the CHOSEN ONE by the NY and London Banks (the International Banksters that control the Federal Reserve) and by Israel.

      Since their goals are directly opposite to the well-being of our Nation, by deduction this Bought-And-Paid-For-Mitt-Mutton-Puppet MUST NOT win!

      [[Should Rmoney win --- expect the US to start an all out war against Iran to protect Israel from a possible single atomic bomb being developed in...10 years from now...? (certainly not to protect the US from such silly and nonthreatening remote eventuality) within a week of this creature taking office.

      What's even more worrisome, is this Creature's Control of the GOP (forcing a fraudulent "Aye" vote at the RNC convention), thus assuring It won't be opposed to win a 2nd term!

      Eight years of Mutton-Mitt will mean a COMPLETE AND TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE USA --- when wars will be started at a drop of an Israeli Hat (sorry, meant to say: yamaka), when the US Constitution will become null-and-void, when the US Dollar will finally become utterly worthless, by a phone call from his Banker Masters (who'll call in their chips).]]
      ———————————————————-

      On the other-hand — the BO Creature will have 4 more years to further plunge us into Socialism and suck us dry through more taxation and further devaluation of the US Dollar and the attempted destruction of our Constitutional Rights.

      This creature will, however, be hampered by some republican wins in both Houses, thus having most of its venomous teeth pulled during its 2nd term.

      [[However, should the BO see itself not as a clear winner, it will assure its reelection by attacking Iran with two weeks to go (mid-to-late October) --- since a "patriotic" War always guarantees the "Commander-and-Chief" a sure win!]]
      ——————————————————

      Conclusion:

      Either subhuman will get us into never ending wars and ever closer to loss of All Liberty, All Prosperity and the eventual Total End of Our Nation as Free People!

      For which “lesser evil” will you vote, now?
      ——————————————————

      I, for one (and my family and friends) will not be party to such infamy! If either of these Horrible Creatures wins, at least we’ll have a clear conscience that we did not compromise our principles by acknowledging their existence in the voting booths!

      We will vote our Conscience — Writing In Dr. Ron Paul!

      • Jerry Fair says:

        I will be voting for Gary Johnson because he is closest to Ron Paul’s ideas of liberty and fiscal responsibility. I would never vote for Romney. I can’t stand that guy and Obama is determined to bankrupt the country. He would not even support Simpson Boles. I wish Romney would quit the race and let Ron Paul take over. That is the only way Ron Paul could win. Romney is about to be blown out by Obama and the GOP has no one to blame but Karl Rove since he is the one who appointed Romney as the nominee.

  29. ___j___ says:

    The attacks on Todd Akin are a one-race testbed, for what will likely happen to large numbers of tea-party and liberty-candidate folks in 2014 and beyond… just as the attempted unseating and bypassing of precinct chairs is going to be an ongoing problem… just as Maine’s credential stripping is a testbed, planned as the norm for 2014+ using new rule#16 (with embellishments via new rule#12 as needed).

    The repub-side of the twin-party system is not alone in this. Found a story about Mark Clayton, age 35, who is running as a liberty-candidate in Tennessee against Senator Corker. He got 30% of the dem primary vote, running against at least five other establishment-dems who split the remaining votes amongst themselves, none of them managing to garner even 20% if memory serves. He was disowned by his party the day after the primary-election, according to a news article. His website lists issues which sound about nine out of ten to be cut-n-pasted from ronpaul2012…

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