How Ron Paul Wins in 2012: Step One

As far fetched as it sounds, Ron Paul can actually win the Republican nomination in 2012 and change history. Step One: Win the Iowa Straw Poll in 2011.

Well, this is a multi-post memorandum and some of what I have to say I won’t be saying publicly at all – because it is proprietary.  So what I will say, is what is obvious, and what the experts in opposition research for any of Ron Paul’s opponents already know and have already considered and already told their principals, okay?  No secrets here.  But, believe me, this will be educational.  So here we go…

For Ron Paul, it all comes down to the Iowa Straw Poll, what used to be called “The Cavalcade,” a political popularity contest, which will be held next in Ames, Iowa the summer of 2011, before the primary season begins in 2012.  This event is used as a Republican fundraiser for the Iowa State GOP. 

Ron Paul should not be distracted by the other straw polls, raise several million dollars and throw it all into the pot to win this contest.  Every volunteer, every employee, every relative, every dollar should be focused on a win at the Cavalcade.  It all should roll on the dice in Ames.

Why?

You may point out that G. H. W. Bush won the Poll in 1980 but Reagan won the nomination and the presidency. Pat Robertson won the Poll in 1988 but G. H. W. Bush won the nomination and the presidency. Mitt Romney won the Poll in 2008 but John McCain won the GOP nomination.

But this time, with this candidate, the circumstances are different.

1.) Ron Paul needs to win something meaningful if he is to awaken that vast pool of latent supporters who agree with his positions but doubt the efficacy of his candidacy.

2.) Because this win, as opposed to other straw polls and early contests, will transport his message and his candidacy into national prominence.

3.) Because it is far easier and less expensive to win the Iowa Straw Poll that it is to win any of the Caucuses and Primaries that follow.  They only get tougher after this one.  But winning it will trigger the flow of money and allow him to compete in the others. Losing, or coming in fifth, will end any real chances for his candidacy.

4.) Because the Straw Poll is such a small universe that the spending of money beyond a certain threshold will be redundant and ineffective.  And Ron Paul can meet that threshold, which neutralizes the money factor entirely.

5.) Because winning this event is not only about money, it is about organization.  No matter how much money you have you still have to have real live people with Iowa driver’s licenses.  Ron Paul’s followers are true believers, activists, who are much more likely to work in Iowa earlier than the followers of Palin, Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich or others, who are essentially just in it for the horse race.  Why not put this Ron Paul advantage to work?

Sure, there are no delegates from the Straw Poll, but the lift is enormous and there is the possibility, with this lift, to win it all.  It is an old formula made famous by Jimmy Carter, who used the Democratic Jackson Day straw vote in the summer of 1975 as his launching pad for his surprise dark horse victory in 1976.  And it is a perfect fit for Ron Paul and his followers.

Like past winners of the Iowa Straw Poll he will likely appear on the cover of TIME and NEWSWEEK, which in itself will pay back a couple of the million dollars spent on the event, and for the next few months he will be considered the front runner for the coming Iowa Caucus in January, if not the front runner for the nomination itself. 

The beauty of winning the Poll is the long time between it and the next big event.  The Poll is in the late summer of 2011.  The Iowa caucus comes in January, 2012, followed within a week by New Hampshire and thereafter by one primary after another.  Say for example that Sarah Palin makes a comeback from the Poll and wins the Iowa Caucus in January; she has only a few days to enjoy her lead for fundraising purposes.  If Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich beat her in New Hampshire they only enjoy their frontrunner status for a few days before Mike Huckabee or Bobbie Jindal ambushes them in South Carolina.

But remember, there are no delegates from the Poll.  So the idea is to win it and use the victory and status to raise a ton of money, which translates into winning the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire Primary back to back in January.

Can it be done?  That is, can Ron Paul translate a win in a straw vote in Iowa into something more?  Well, that will depend on the money raised afterward.  But remember, if he wins, for almost half a year he will be able to raise money while the other candidates will have to explain their loss. 

“Yes, he won the Iowa Straw Poll,” Mike Huckabee will say, “but that is because he has a small cadre of devoted followers but he cannot go all the way.”  Chuckle, chuckle, “Remember Mitt Romney won the Cavalcade last time and I won the Iowa Caucus and we both got beat by John McCain.”

Sarah Palin will say, “Yes, he won the Poll in Iowa but he is fifth in the national polls and I am leading.  He can win a small contest but he can’t win a big one.”

They will all have their rationale for losing but it sure would be nice to be the winner, this time, the one who doesn’t need all those excuses.

There is more.  If Ron Paul wins this Poll he will become the darling of the national media during these crucial five months of campaigning and fundraising.  Yes, you heard me.  The media will be amused by the Ron Paul surge, just as they enjoyed the Pat Buchanan insurgency against a GOP incumbent in the White House in 1992.  Why? Because, like Buchanan, they will see Ron Paul as unwinnable in a general election.  They will believe that Ron Paul is a safe nominee to face their beloved Barack Obama, who by then will be the second coming of FDR in American newsrooms.  Ron Paul’s victory in the Iowa Straw Poll will be trumpeted to the highest heavens and he will be given every advantage.  At least during the nominating process.  But it will all depend on winning in Ames.

But don’t all the other candidates know that too?  Can’t they do the same?  Yes and no.  They have different assets, priorities and needs.  For example, Rudolph Giuliani skipped Iowa altogether because it is an Evangelical state and he would have been quizzed about his personal life.  Mitt Romney poured in a ton of money and was in the lead but saw that lead evaporate as Evangelicals slipped away from him, probably because he was Mormon, to support Mike Huckabee, one of their own.

If you review the list of five reasons above you will see that neither Palin nor Huckabee nor Romney nor anyone else would benefit as much as Ron Paul from a Straw Poll win.  Ron Paul is the leader of a movement, he offers a different option altogether, whereas Palin and Huckabee and others will simply be in a personality contest.  If they win in Ames, it is only one of many more contests to follow.  If Ron Paul wins in Ames, he awakens a whole political movement.

Then there is the mighty mistress of American politics…. expectations.  Ron Paul would be a sensation, the talk of the country, because his emergence would be a surprise to the mainstream.   For example, Palin and Huckabee would not benefit as much from a NEWSWEEK of TIME cover story because they have already had them and they probably will have had them again before the Cavalcade.  Heck, Ron Paul garnered some headlines in 2007 when he came in fifth in that contest.  A win would be big news.

And what about that all important Iowa Evangelical vote? This time, Huckabee and Palin, both Evangelicals, might have to split that vote, along with a resurrected Newt Gingrich and even a popular, born again Christian, Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, who may not even enter the Straw Poll because his re-election as governor is in the fall of 2011.

Anyway, Ron Paul will get a big chunk of those Evangelical voters because I am going to help him, if he wants it.  He is Christian, pro-life, married to the same wife forever and he wants the government out of our lives, believe me, it will work.  And I know how to win that vote big.

For a history of the born again vote see: http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/the-history-of-the-evangelical-vote-in-presidential-elections/

So how does Ron Paul harness his army and raise the money to win the Iowa Cavalcade?  And if he won, where would he go from there? That discussion is coming in future posts.   All I know is this… if Ron Paul can raise $32 million and get 15,000 people to buy tickets to his convention in Minneapolis after the nomination was already decided, then he has a very real chance of winning in the small universe of Ames, Iowa in 2011 and that win, my friends, would catapult him and his movement into the stratosphere.

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92 Responses to How Ron Paul Wins in 2012: Step One

  1. Mary Achor says:

    I’ve been watching this whole Ron Paul thing, and listening to people crashing down on his head, and on the heads of all libertarians. What is wrong with libertarians? I don’t know, and I’d like to know. Somebody out there: give me the good and the bad, please.

  2. thunderpig says:

    Ahem. Pardon me.

    Dr. Ron Paul will be 78 years old on election day 2012. He was born on August 20, 1935.

    He is finished…kaput. His best bet should have been building the Libertarian Party instead of consigning his followers to decades of fighting with the Republicans for ownership of a damaged brand that the Campaign for Liberty will not fix.

  3. raleyb says:

    @Mary Achor

    Here is a well thought out guide for Christians on the topic of Libertarians.

    http://tinyurl.com/6zfnb6 It’s called “Turn Neither to the Right Nor the Left”

    I’m not an affiliate of amazon and I’m not trying to sell his book to you. You asked and I answered.

    It was written by Eric Schansberg http://schansblog.blogspot.com/ who ran against Baron Hill and Mike Sodrel in Southern Indiana’s congressional race. He attends my church. A great read for evangelicals who think they have to be republican or democrat. It discusses the differences in legislating morality and legislating justice issues- among many other things. For instance the book argues, as would I and Ron Paul, that life (pro life) is an issue of justice and not an issue of morality- gaming, alcohol, smoking, etc. A God given constitutional right.

    Many Libertarians (including the homepage of the party) lean pro choice, but I think they are far more willing to move toward life than “liberals” would be. In that I mean the issues that get them jazzed up are much more about small government, personal freedoms, and constitutional rights.
    I could be wrong though. I’m wrong at least several times per day, however don’t tell me wife. Ron Paul was pro life and garnered the support of many Libertarians, as did Bob Barr who also is pro life.

    Great post. Let’s get it done in 2011 and 2012. I have three children and maybe more one day. I rather they not inherit this country as it is.

    Running mate? Who would be a good running mate? Give us a twitter post (tweet I believe they are called) when the running mate post is coming Doug.

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  5. ehollering says:

    There’s something else that makes this theory more applicable to Paul than to a candidate like Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, who might have trouble holding the front-runner position. He’s sticky — by that I mean once you find yourself agreeing with his libertarian philosophy, you start accepting more and more of his platform. Once you accept his platform, there is nobody else who can compare with his consistency in its advocacy. At that point, it’s a done deal.

    For someone who researches the policies and draws the inevitable conclusions, candidates who would otherwise seem tenable are not at all comparable. This creates the kind of certainty that turns followers into supporters and supporters into campaigners. Certainty about any subject is sure to inspire advocacy; the opinionated can’t keep their mouths shut. I think that is what has to drive Paul’s campaign. The great thing about leveraging this advantage is that other candidates can’t duplicate it.

    I think you’re correct — he can succeed if he can successfully take away the “I like him but he can’t win” argument, which means something big has to happen to get him in the spotlight.

    • Frank says:

      If you like him and want to him him to take this back from the corporatist, then get the word out anyway you can, help him, otherwise i see no hope for this country.

  6. [...] has to wonder what cause people to be so delusional to believe that Ron Paul, specifically – not any Libertarian leaning candidate, will win the GOP [...]

  7. mtabor1 says:

    Doug,

    I like how you point out that the media might (initially) NOT do to Ron Paul what they did this year. And I also like your thoughts on the evangelicals + Ron Paul issue, esp. seeing as what happened in South Carolina’s senate race and the evangelical vote. I hope you are correct.

    BUT, if Ron Paul so much as looks promising in the primaries start, the media’s “honeymoon” will end, and they will do what they do, that is support the War party.
    How does Ron Paul deal with that?

    Also, what can Ron Paul do about the corruption and fraud in the Republican Party, which did their best to foil Ron Paul in the primaries this year, by steailing votes, playing rules games, etc.
    Perhaps you can address that issue, esp. because New Hampshire was one of the main states of party fraud against RP, and it is so important and early.

    Thanks.

    OH, I am just waiting for a typcial David Schwartz comment, seeing as you managed to put Ron Paul and Jimmy Carter in the same paragraph.
    (Considering his record as president and esp. his latest and very enlightening book, D(Schw.)B must dearly love Jimmy Carter.)

  8. cbsure says:

    Dear Doug,

    We would be wise to remember that Ron Paul is a rare breed of Presidential candidates…a kind we have not seen in a while. Therefore, it behooves us to be prepared to re-visit old ideas & shine new light on those we’ve taken for granted…lest his words be stereotypically rejected…or maybe worse…blindly accepted. Because as much as one needs Faith to believe in Liberty…the Principles are no less important to understand. & Liberty has indeed been evolving since 1776. So We should try NOT to be caught stuck in our ‘old’ ways of thinking.

    Ron Paul is fighting for the Principles of Liberty to lead us down a path full of Prosperity & Peace. MAKE NO MISTAKE: It is as much a matter of Economics as it is Politics. BUT it is OUR responsibility to learn & understand those Principles with whatever time we can afford. Freedom only works when People choose to learn the meaning of them. It is important to understand the chain of cause & effect…for the short-term AND (especially) the long-term! For example, the causes or our Economic Crisis…were NOT born yesterday. Our Federal Reserve deserves its fair share of blame since its inception (1913). The rest of the blame…belong with Us…for not understanding the dire long-term consequences of Central Banking…& remaining complacent until now…when it is almost too late.

    We should NOT assume ‘knowing’ the Constitution is enough…Liberty is not that easy to defend. For example, the Constitution is like any Law…simply words that describe the actions We should follow…& ASSUMES We understand the Principles that inspired them. Yet, the Constitution is UN-like any other Law…It is a Living document. It is allowed to evolve as we evolve. SO EVEN if we return to strictly obeying the Constitution…We still have every ‘right’ to repeal our Bill of Rights…& ‘amend’ this nation to a Socialist Society if that is the desire of the People. The fact is…the Principles of Liberty are only as strong as Our knowledge of them. & We will NOT find them ‘spelled’ out in our Constitution. Our Principles inspire the Constitution & NOT the other way around.

    Moreover, President Paul will NOT ‘solve’ the Economic woes of this nation. He merely wants to let the Markets be Free! Which means we are Free to succeed OR fail by OUR efforts & Government will not be there as a safety net NOR as a scapegoat. (Well, RP acknowledges there needs to be a transition period…so baby-boomers need not worry.) BUT…if We truly believe in Liberty…such as Ron Paul does…We should be quick to realize he will merely lift the burdens that Government has caused…taxes, artificial ‘low’ interest rates, counter-productive regulations, moral hazards…& We are still left with the challenge…HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS? Ron Paul believes in the Free Markets because he believes…

    We the People…will find a solution.

    Sincerely,

    cbsure

    If I may suggest a Ron Paul Primer…

    I would recommend starting with one of Ron Paul’s favorite authors: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html Federic Bastiat (1801 – 1850), who was the ‘Ron Paul’ of his day when Socialism was rampant in his homeland, France. After reading ‘The Law’, you will get a glimpse of the World through the Eye of an Economist.

    Then I would suggest watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZM58dulPE Money, Banking, & the Federal Reserve…a tribute to Murray Rothbard (1926 – 1995), a Free Marketeer associated with the Ludwig von Mises Institute, which Ron Paul help founded. After seeing this, you will have some insight to why Ron Paul opposes our Federal Reserve.

    As for the solution to our Economic Crisis?…It begins with understanding how to make a REAL Profit: http://mises.org/story/2321 Profit & Loss, by Ludwig von Mises (1881 – 1973). After reading this, you will realize that Profits are more than just Money…they in fact play an important role in Society. Profits are ideas that turn our limited resources into products that People NOT ONLY want to use now…BUT ALSO want to save…to produce more things later.

    & I dare say…the essence of our current Economic Crisis lies in our Trade Deficit. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aYMRfTaPRLCU The sooner we can produce products that can compete within our new Global Economy…the sooner we can reclaim the Glory of the United States of America.

    Remember: Take nothing for granted.

    & May the Economy be with You…

    • Lee Bercegeay says:

      May I use your reply above to post on facebook etc. I am a Ron Paul supporter and do plenty of my own promoting and writing where I can but boy are my fingers tired! I just thought your piece really captures a lot of what I say anyway and would love to just copy and paste. I’d be happy to give you credit but at minimum I will not claim it as my words. Thanks!
      Lee
      ljbercegeay@gmail .com

  9. David Black says:

    For Doug’s kiddie acolytes like mark tabor and cbsure, sorry, but I despise any or all Democrats.

    I also don’t need to cut and paste other’s work to prove how “intellectual” I can be.

    Am I the only one to see through the massive angling maneuver that our prized huckster and former Amway salesman Doug is undertaking here?

    “I have to say I won’t be saying publicly at all – because it is proprietary.”

    Can you say … BOOK DEAL?

    Doug really has no shame at all. He knows Ron Paul hasn’t a prayer in hell, yet he’ll exploit you Losertarian suckers any way he can by making you think he does.

    Doug is no different from a Kenneth Copeland or a Benny Hinn, except he’s selling a different brand of soap.

    And you people are too stupid to see that. I’m happy to be the only true visionary to see through the sham you morons are helping to perpetuate.

    Is it any wonder I hold you all in utter contempt?

  10. davide7 says:

    To David Black: It is obvious that you are in love with Doug Wead, but I don’t think he returns your affections. Probably better to find someone else to court over the internet,

    To Doug Wead: I think the message on the Iowa Straw Poll is at least part wishful thinking. If Mitt Romney’s huge organization and multimillion dollar advantage couldn’t beat Mike Huckabee in Iowa in 2008, I doubt that Ron Paul would be able to do it in 2012.

  11. David Black says:

    “To David Black: It is obvious that you are in love with Doug Wead,”

    I love my wife and children, thank you.

    You goosestepping morons need to be constantly smacked up side the head and reminded of how clueless you are about reality.

  12. I like reading posts like this one. The comments that follow not so much.

    Do I think it’s likely that RP was a one-time deal that we failed to secure? Yes. Do I think he’s the only one we’ll ever find? Nope. And until we find the next one I’ll be more than satisfied to think my happy thoughts and delude myself on dreams. :]

  13. David Black says:

    “What is wrong with libertarians?”

    A clueless American named Mary Achor asked this question that has a fairly obvious answer.

    For starters, they think it should be OK to allow people to ruin their lives and fuel a dangerous underground economy with the trafficking and usage of illegal drugs.

    A proper conservative citizen would be for strict order and discipline and harsh punishments for street criminals.

    Victimless crimes? Check the urban crime statistics in the US and note how many are connected to illegal drug dealing.

    LOSERtarians are also anti-death penalty.

    So that makes LOSERtarians pro-criminal!

    Wow, that’s some sensible movement, isn’t it? Let’s let street criminals run amok through society so their liberties are not infringed.

    I swear, I think most of you LOSERtarians are illegal drug addled. Your reasoning would make it seem so.

    • Jorje says:

      “…fuel a dangerous underground economy with the trafficking and usage of illegal drugs”

      Making drugs illegal is what caused the dangerous underground economy. Legalizing drugs, like you claim, without knowing, that all libertarians wish to do would REMOVE the underground economy. The income would be diverted from the dangerous gangs and given to upstanding citizens. I.e. Being able to buy drugs in a convenience store would be much more productive than creating the hazardous environment of illegal dealings.

      Thus, legalizing drugs is GOOD. It REMOVES the problems you talked about.

      • Mechanized says:

        Unfortunately, and at least as of two years prior to this post, it appears Mr. Black is quite ill-informed regarding the nature of the drug war and the cause and effect relationship prohibition creates as it pertains to crime and violence.

    • Giovanni says:

      @Mary Achor – May I suggest you search for Libertarianism 101 on the web and decide for yourself? People attack things the aren’t ready for and sadly, the country is only in the beginning stage of readiness for Libertarianism. They know we are the future, hence the attacks.

      @Mr. Black: I honestly cannot tell if you are brain dead or just sarcastic. I mean, that’s how ridiculous you come off as. I mean seriously, save some kool-aid for the rest of Kristolites.

      It may be a hard pill to swallow but the truth is, all your “Just kidding” conservatives have more than doubled the size of the federal government, worked to enact anti-American legislation, add trillions of dollars to debt through inflationary, Marxist central banking and, just like their Liberal cousins, blindly follow this unsustainable, epic fail Foreign Policy.

      The clown who claimed responsibility for this mess actually said, believe it or not, that he had to “abandon free market principles to save the free market.” Seriously, what a joke. Bill Clinton is to the right of Attila the Hun by comparison.

      The same can be said about the other class of clowns.

      Now, you are trying to inform others on how pro-criminal we are b/c we believe that murder is wrong no matter who does it?

      We are drug addicts, simply b/c we are against the government telling adults what they can put in their bodies? Do we arrest people for drinking? Or do we arrest them for drinking and driving? It is morally justified in tearing families apart b/c a person decides to choose for himself?

      You fail miserably at trying to persuade others that Libertarian policies would allow criminals to run free simply b/c we don’t believe it is morally justified to murder them. Your two-dimensional intellect is a thing of the past and we, Libertarians, are the future. We tried your brand … look where that got us.

      So, take your two brain cells and rub them together. Think for yourself, you might like it.

  14. David Black says:

    “To David Black: It is obvious that you are in love with Doug Wead,”

    I would say that those of you smooching his derriere are the ones that are smitten, not me.

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  17. heavystarch says:

    Doug,

    Great article and interesting strategy. I’m certainly hoping Ron Paul runs again in 2012. It will be another long shot running but I think he could have a better chance then because he has gained tremendous respect during these difficult economic times (since he was right about everything going on unlike all other candidates).

    I’d also like to see Ron Paul team up more with BJ Lawson in order to help him win a mid term election in 2010. I see BJ Lawson carrying the torch in 2016 for Ron Paul and the Freedom/Liberty movement.

    RE: DAVID BLACK: You secretly wish you had the logic, sense of reason and wisdom to think critically like Doug. But alas you don’t , so all you can do is dish out insults. *YAWN* your comments bore me *YAAAAWN* Now I guess it is time for me to go promote criminality and wicked behavior…

  18. David Black says:

    “RE: DAVID BLACK: You secretly wish you had the logic, sense of reason and wisdom to think critically like Doug.”

    So what user nym were you posting under yesterday, kid?

    How funny that Doug Wead has to get his own son and his buddies to prop up his crusade on behalf of a wacko candidate like Ron Paul.

  19. kineticreaction says:

    If it isn’t David Black, the full time Israeli lobbyists viciously attacking a patriot for supporting the only sane candidate there is.

    —How funny that Doug Wead has to get his own son and his buddies to prop up his crusade on behalf of a wacko candidate like Ron Paul.—-

    It’s funny that David Black fails to understand that educated people who understand economics and foreign policy support Ron Paul.

    The man who called the stock market crash, Peter Schiff, supports Ron Paul:

    The former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, Michael Scheuer, supports Ron Paul.

    But for David Black, supporting an interventionist Israel-first foreign policy is his only objective.

    He would even attack a patriot like Ron Paul, and attack his loyal supporters, just for the sake of his ethnic interests.

    David Black has no honor and no respect for America. His selfish drive to promote Israeli politics over-rides every thing else.

  20. David Black says:

    “It’s funny that David Black fails to understand that educated people who understand economics and foreign policy support Ron Paul.”

    Is that how he only received 14 electoral votes? Go ahead, trot out some laughable conspiracy theory why he didn’t get more, you freak.

    “David Black has no honor and no respect for America. His selfish drive to promote Israeli politics over-rides every thing else.”

    An inbred red neck have-not with visions of ZOG conspiracies dancing in their little pinheads would naturally assume so.

    I guess you never knew that much of the money spent on Israeli defense comes back to the US in the form of weapons and materiel purchases so the IDF can kill more islamo-fascist scum, did you?

    But you Ron Paulists LOVE Islamo-fascists, don’t you?

  21. David Black says:

    EDIT: 14 GOP delegates

    Let me remind you thick headed dolts … your campaign is freak fringe at best. Just because you have a presence on the internet blogs doesn’t mean jack as far as the rest of the nation goes.

    You are relatively powerless little proletarians and the only voice you have are found on these blogs.

    I’m all too happy to try and grind you back into the dirt where you belong. If there’s anything that I detest it’s grassroots populism from a bunch of have-nots who wouldn’t know what true material wealth is even if it batted them on their dirty snot noses. Wead and others like him tap into your angst to shore up their own little power bases for profit.

    Intelligent you call yourselves? What a joke. You can’t even tell you’re being exploited.

  22. mtabor1 says:

    “Intelligent you call yourselves? What a joke. You can’t even tell you’re being exploited.”

    n the contrary, we can tell that even though every last breath of the establishment is spent to keep us from perceiving it.

    What else but a small part of that exploitation is the vaunted aid you refer to in a post further up? Foreign aid for the economically needy is one thing, but for a supposedly developed country like Israel, it is pure exploitation of naive US taxpayers.

    From a post also further up:
    ” “David Black has no honor and no respect for America. His selfish drive to promote Israeli politics over-rides every thing else.”

    An inbred red neck have-not with visions of ZOG conspiracies dancing in their little pinheads would naturally assume so.”

    There is no need for anyone to ASSUME such an interpretation, you yourself have plainly stated exactly that in many of your other posts here and on your own blog many a time.
    For anyone else interested in just that point, look for those posts of DB’s where he talks about his allegiance to his “race”.
    That is as plain as day, no one need assume. If you deny it now, you are just being dishonest.

    Go ahead deny it once more, it will just show the sycophant that you are all the more plainly.

    Finally you vaunt YOUR logic so much, when you mock others’, yet you say:
    “… and fuel a dangerous underground economy with the trafficking and usage of illegal drugs.”

    LOGCI? Puh!
    There would be NO underground economy to fuel, and thus no artificial, illegality-caused profits, with legal drugs of all stripe, and of course there would ONLY be usage of legal drugs if we had our way.
    Go suck on that while you enjoy a now-again cheap, crime-spree free, unadulterated glass of whisky, which of course it is impossible to ruin one’s life with.

  23. kineticreaction says:

    —–Is that how he only received 14 electoral votes? Go ahead, trot out some laughable conspiracy theory why he didn’t get more, you freak.—-

    Why are you so obsessed with how many votes he got and what chance he has of winning.

    You’re a coward and liar slimebag. If you weren’t afraid of him gaining support, you wouldn’t be in this blog playing your pathetic mind games to try to convince us that he has no chance.

    ——–“David Black has no honor and no respect for America. His selfish drive to promote Israeli politics over-rides every thing else.”

    An inbred red neck have-not with visions of ZOG conspiracies dancing in their little pinheads would naturally assume so.—–

    An inbred Jewish nationalist with visions of white racism all around him.

    Oh no, I’m a poor Jew! The rednecks want to stop sending billions to Israel!

    ——I guess you never knew that much of the money spent on Israeli defense comes back to the US in the form of weapons and materiel purchases so the IDF can kill more islamo-fascist scum, did you?—–

    I guess you don’t know what the “broken window” fallacy is.

    The US gets 20X more costs associated with the perception of American collusion with Israel, then any thing that can come back from all the American tax payer funded purchases of US weapons.

    Furthermore, you have no idea how much American military tech is transferred to Israel’s arms industry thanks to technology transfers. This military tech took billions of American tax payer dollars to develop and is transferred to Israel for free, to subsidize its huge arms industry, which competes with American arms companies around the world.

    You don’t want people to know this because you have no respect for the truth or Americans.

    —-But you Ron Paulists LOVE Islamo-fascists, don’t you?—-

    “Islamo-facists”. Another term Jewish extremists like you love. Stop trying to manipulate the “rednecks” to fight your battles for you.

    You love war in the middle east don’t you? You love American soldiers fighting and sanctioning nations in the middle east don’t you?

    You love all those end-times Evangelical nutters who think that Israel needs to be expanded in order to usher in the ends times don’t you?

    Is that why your AIPAC invited that nutcase reverend Hagee to its conference to speak?

  24. kineticreaction says:

    —-You are relatively powerless little proletarians and the only voice you have are found on these blogs.—

    We’re going to crush the Israeli stranglehold on American policy, and people like you will be ostracized for the malicious parasites that you are. You’re pathetic.

  25. David Black says:

    “You love all those end-times Evangelical nutters who think that Israel needs to be expanded in order to usher in the ends times don’t you?”

    You have a short memory, redneck, you don’t know I despise Christian evangelicals?

    “I guess you don’t know what the “broken window” fallacy is.”

    Right, because I don’t read stormfront.org and other neo-Nazi websites.

    “Furthermore, you have no idea how much American military tech is transferred to Israel’s arms industry thanks to technology transfers.”

    And you, an inbred redneck from Pig Slop, Arkansas, has their finger on the pulse of how the US DOD executes foreign policy, right?

    You’re whole twisted understanding of the world is from youtube and websites created in some other Jew hating scumbag’s basement.

    Get a life, loser!

    “We’re going to crush the Israeli stranglehold on American policy,”

    Sorry, Jew hating scumbags like yourself can barely pay your bills, stay sober, and keep from having sex with your sisters, so how do you think you’re going to affect US foreign policy?

    Don’t you know that the rest of America laughs at hillbillies?

  26. mtabor1 says:

    DB writes:
    ” “Furthermore, you have no idea how much American military tech is transferred to Israel’s arms industry thanks to technology transfers.”

    And you, an inbred redneck from Pig Slop, Arkansas, has their finger on the pulse of how the US DOD executes foreign policy, right?”

    Well, the DoD has enough sense not to try and give everything away to that “shitty little country”, to use the immortal words of the French ambassador in London.
    And when they don’t transfer, then people like Jonathan Pollard or Larry Franklin steal it for them, committing treason against the US, and showing their true allegiance with their acts. As do those organizations that try to get them freed by Presidential pardon every four years, claiming it was no big deal, we should have just given this info to our best ally anyway. At the very least, they are justifying treason by their conduct.
    AND YOU DB, have never even replied to that, as to whether YOU condemn their acts as treason against the US.

    Me for my part, I am IN FAVOR of the DEATH penalty for treason, and wish that it had been pronounced and executed in these cases a long time ago.

    And to be more timely with the news of the day, just watch all the 3 and 4 letter organizations jump up and cry foul when anyone mainstream so much as dares to point out to what “race” (DB’s words, not mine) Mr. Madoff belongs to.

  27. kineticreaction says:

    —–You have a short memory, redneck, you don’t know I despise Christian evangelicals?—

    Inbred Jewish nationalist, you don’t despise Christian evangelicals. You obviously support AIPAC and AIPAC supported candidates, who court the Christian evangelicals and particularly pro-Israel end-time nutters like Rev. Hagee.

    You spend your time harassing Ron Paul supporters, and not McCain supporters, because your agenda is to promote Israel.

    ———–“I guess you don’t know what the “broken window” fallacy is.”

    Right, because I don’t read stormfront.org and other neo-Nazi websites.——–

    Just because I don’t support your bloodthirsty and parasitic Jewish extremist agenda doesn’t make me a neo-nazi.

    Any way, you displayed ignorance of the broken window fallacy, when you claimed sending tax payer money to Israel for it to buy US weapons is good for the US economy.

    ———“Furthermore, you have no idea how much American military tech is transferred to Israel’s arms industry thanks to technology transfers.”

    And you, an inbred redneck from Pig Slop, Arkansas, has their finger on the pulse of how the US DOD executes foreign policy, right?——-

    The inbred unwanted Jewish extremist sticks his nose in American affairs and insults Americans who have created the most tolerant society that Jews have ever enjoyed.

    How disgusting.

    Listen you gentile hating Jewish extremist. Get your filthy ass out of here. No one wants you in this forum. You’re a parasite.

  28. kineticreaction says:

    The Israeli lobby’s hold on US foreign policy will be crushed, and people like you will be ostracized and exposed for the selfish parasites that you are.

  29. David Black says:

    “The inbred unwanted Jewish extremist sticks his nose in American affairs”

    This is my right to do so, redneck, since I’m a native born American citizen.

    I backed McCain because he was the only GOP candidate that had a chance to win.

    I don’t back losers like Ron Paul and their whopping 14 delegates.

    I also don’t back McCain now. He failed and deserves to be bashed for it.

  30. David Black says:

    So tell me, Mark Tabor of St. Louis MO, what’s a 16 year old kid doing getting so wrapped up in anti-Semitism?

    Don’t tell me, a relative of yours is a Jew hater and you are just following in lock step, right?

  31. kineticreaction says:

    You may have been born American, but you’re not backing American interests. You’re full of lies and hypocrisy.

    You spend your time harassing the supporters of Ron Paul, claiming you “despise” Christian evangelicals, but then support McCain who heavily court nutter ends-timges Evangelicals like Rev. Hagee, going as far as to meet with him, shake his hand, and say good words about him.

    McCain was supported heavily by AIPAC, and attented a “Christians United for Israel” conference held by Reverend Hagee, a man who believes that the world will end and Jesus will return once Jews “reclaim” more of their biblical land.

    AIPAC also courted and hosted that fat piece of shit Rev. Hagee at their conference. Like you, AIPAC is opportunistically promoting the worst elements in America for Israel’s interests, and attacks those who are patriots.

    America has given you so many opportunities, shown you so much tolerance that Israel refuses to show the natives of Palestine, yet you have done so little for America, and have done so much to attack its patriotic movement.

    You’re selfish. You have no honor. You’re full of shit.

  32. kineticreaction says:

    You may have been born American, but you’re not backing American interests. You’re full of lies and hypocrisy.

    You spend your time harassing the supporters of Ron Paul, claiming you “despise” Christian evangelicals, but then support McCain who heavily court nutter ends-timges Evangelicals like Rev. Hagee, going as far as to meet with him, shake his hand, and say good words about him.

    McCain was supported heavily by AIPAC, and attented a “Christians United for Israel” conference held by Reverend Hagee, a man who believes that the world will end and Jesus will return once Jews “reclaim” more of their biblical land.

    AIPAC also courted and hosted that fat piece of shit Rev. Hagee at their conference. Like you, AIPAC is opportunistically promoting the worst elements in America for Israel’s interests, and attacks those who are patriots.

    America has given you so many opportunities, shown you so much more tolerance than what Israel shows the natives of Palestine, yet you have done so little for America, and have done so much to attack its patriotic movement (the Ron Paul people).

    You’re selfish. You have no honor. You have no morality.

  33. kineticreaction says:

    You may have been born American, but you’re not backing American interests. You’re full of lies and hypocrisy.

    You spend your time harassing the supporters of Ron Paul, claiming you “despise” Christian evangelicals, but then support McCain who heavily court nutter ends-times Evangelicals like Rev. Hagee, going as far as to meet with him, shake his hand, and say good words about him.

    McCain was supported heavily by AIPAC, and attended a “Christians United for Israel” conference held by Reverend Hagee, a man who believes that the world will end and Jesus will return once Jews “reclaim” more of their biblical land.

    AIPAC also courted and hosted that fat piece of crap Rev. Hagee at their conference. Like you, AIPAC is opportunistically promoting the worst elements in America for Israel’s interests, and attacking the best elements of America: those in the Ron Paul movement.

    America has given you so many opportunities, shown you so much more tolerance than what Israel shows the natives of Palestine, yet you have done so little for America, and have done so much to attack its patriotic movement (the Ron Paul people).

    All you care about is Jews. You’re a Jewish supremacist. Leave, no one wants you here. You do nothing good for non-Jews.

    All you have to offer is vitriol for those who have spent their lives working for America’s interests. All you have to offer is vicious accusations of anti-semitism in a shameless attempt to dominate the political agenda and impose a Israel-centric policies.

    You’re selfish. You have no honor. You have no morality.

  34. kineticreaction says:

    You may have been born American, but you’re not backing American interests. You’re full of lies and hypocrisy.

    You spend your time harassing the supporters of Ron Paul, claiming you “despise” Christian evangelicals, but then support McCain who heavily court nutter ends-times Evangelicals like Rev. Hagee, going as far as to meet with him, shake his hand, and say good words about him.

    McCain was supported heavily by AIPAC, and attended a “Christians United for Israel” conference held by Reverend Hagee, a man who believes that the world will end and Jesus will return once Jews “reclaim” more of their biblical land.

    AIPAC also courted and hosted that fat piece of dung Rev. Hagee at their conference. Like you, AIPAC is opportunistically promoting the worst elements in America for Israel’s interests, and attacking the best elements of America: those in the Ron Paul movement.

    America has given you so many opportunities, shown you so much more tolerance than what Israel shows the natives of Palestine, yet you have done so little for America, and have done so much to attack its patriotic movement (the Ron Paul people).

    All you care about is Jews. You’re a Jewish supremacist. Leave, no one wants you here. You do nothing good for non-Jews.

    All you have to offer is vitriol for those who have spent their lives working for America’s interests. All you have to offer is vicious accusations of anti-semitism in a shameless attempt to dominate the political agenda and impose a Israel-centric policies.

    You’re selfish. You have no honor. You have no morality. We don’t want you here.

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  36. mtabor1 says:

    So DB, where is the anti-semitism?
    Why don’t you post some quotes from me?
    Because I point out Madoff’s religion, or as YOU say, his “race”?
    That is a fact nothing more.
    If that is anti-semitism, then I am also a heliophobe when I say the sun is yellow!

    And as to your comment about people not following up on them, what about you?
    What is YOUR position on TREASON?
    Are you for the death penalty in fpor treason?
    And if you are for it in general, what about Pollard and Franklin?

    You got to gloss over that very conveniently because of the interim posts by kineticreaction.

    It is you who is the racist, when you apply racial terms to all you discuss, and when you talk about the “good genes” of your kids.

    Eastern European descent?
    That is what the Warburgs, the Arnolds, the Oppenheimers or the Bernheimers used to call “dreckige Stetl-Juden”!

  37. David Black says:

    “So DB, where is the anti-semitism?”

    Read any post of yours of the last weeks that mention Israel.

    As for Israel, you are either for her or you are against her. If you are against her, you are a Jew hating pig.

    Hopefully, that explains it adequately enough for your impressionable yet immature 16 year old mind.

    I could care less about Madoff. I did not invest in his ponzi scheme.

  38. kineticreaction says:

    No David. you are an evil Jewish supremacist and you don’t belong in America.

  39. David Black says:

    So who does, kinetic, inbred lower middle class neo-Nazis as yourself?

  40. kineticreaction says:

    You don’t belong in America you filthy evil piece of shit.

  41. David Black says:

    “You don’t belong in America you filthy evil piece of —-”

    Ladies and gentlemen, one of Doug Wead’s “children of the blogosphere.”

  42. kineticreaction says:

    Let’s look at the comments of the evil useless piece of shit, David Black:

    “So who does, kinetic, inbred lower middle class neo-Nazis as yourself?”

    “As for Israel, you are either for her or you are against her. If you are against her, you are a Jew hating pig.”

    “Hopefully, that explains it adequately enough for your impressionable yet immature 16 year old mind.”

    “So tell me, Mark Tabor of St. Louis MO, what’s a 16 year old kid doing getting so wrapped up in anti-Semitism?

    Don’t tell me, a relative of yours is a Jew hater and you are just following in lock step, right?”

    “You have a short memory, redneck, ”

    “Let me remind you thick headed dolts … your campaign is freak fringe at best. ”

    “You are relatively powerless little proletarians and the only voice you have are found on these blogs.

    I’m all too happy to try and grind you back into the dirt where you belong. If there’s anything that I detest it’s grassroots populism from a bunch of have-nots who wouldn’t know what true material wealth is even if it batted them on their dirty snot noses. Wead and others like him tap into your angst to shore up their own little power bases for profit.

    Intelligent you call yourselves? What a joke. You can’t even tell you’re being exploited.”

    These are his comments. Every one of them, vile, malicious, lies.

  43. David Black says:

    “Every one of them, vile, malicious, lies.”

    Please provide evidence to the contrary.

    Are you mark tabor’s mom, or what?

  44. kineticreaction says:

    One wonders how David Black could have gone so long in life with such an immature, disgusting character.

  45. David Black says:

    “One wonders how David Black (snipped)”

    (yawn)

    Shouldn’t you be stocking shelves at Wal Mart instead for that big minimum wage paycheck, redneck?

  46. kineticreaction says:

    The inbred jewish extremist, with more his hate and racism towards America on display.

  47. David Black says:

    Sorry, sparky, only hillbilly rednecks from the red states are inbred, the ones who watch NASCAR, drive pick up trucks, eat fast food, drink lite beer, pray to Jaaay-zuuus, have incestuous relations with their family members, have bestial relations with farm animals, and are the cheapest and stingiest SOBs on earth.

    For proof, just look at the way most any hillbilly dresses and lives.

    In fact, they are so cheap and stingy, they want their government to be the same way.

    Racist toward America? Explain that one. Jethro.

  48. David Black says:

    By the way, kinetic, tell your kid mark tabor to worry more about getting laid at 16 rather than worrying about Jews and ZOG conspiracies like his redneck hillbilly relatives.

  49. kineticreaction says:

    David Black, the racist inbred Jewish extremist, displaying more of his racism and hate towards whites and America.

    He contributes nothing to America. He’s a parasite.

  50. David Black says:

    To be honest, who doesn’t despise hillbillies, who occupy the lowest rungs of American society next to gang bangers, drug users, drug traffickers, rapists, murderers, and other street thugs?

    “He contributes nothing to America.”

    Really? My accountant would disagree when he serves my yearly tax bill.

    Tell me what more is required of me beyond paying taxes.

  51. kineticreaction says:

    Who you despise is irrelevant. You’re full of hate. You contribute nothing to American and only attack patriots. You’re worse than useless. You don’t belong in America.

  52. David Black says:

    Patriots? Is that what you paleo-cons and Loertarians call yourselves? That’s a laugh.

    The definition of a “patriot” has become so skewed it’s like using the word “racist.” People use both word without any idea how to properly apply it.

    No, you people are misguided morons with no power, no voice, and just one or two freak fringe candidates to pin your hopes on.

    You are desperate and weak and you can’t accept that reality. If you didn’t have these blogs to post to you’d be even more lost than you are now.

    I despise people who need government leaders and 200 year old contracts to ensure their happiness or prosperity.

    One the first tenets of conservatism is self-reliance. You aren’t self-reliant at all, otherwise, you wouldn’t need Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin or any other loser.

    I don’t care if John McCain lost at this point or that Barack Obama is president.

    It doesn’t matter. Survival and self-preservation at any or all cost is what truly matters.

    That’s how Jews have survived for three thousand years.

  53. ftsmallwood says:

    All this back and forth anti-Semitic racist crud you idiots are spewing at David Black is greatly damaging the Ron Paul movement. Even though, Dr. Paul is totally against any racist thought, you guys are hurting not helping. Please cease and desist right now. Let Mr. Black call Dr. Paul, libertarianism or constitionalism whatever he wishes. There are plenty of real arguments against his ideas instead of spewing anti-Semitic hatred at him.

  54. mechanized0 says:

    —“As for Israel, you are either for her or you are against her. If you are against her, you are a Jew hating pig.”—

    Mr. Black, assuming the above was actually stated it must be stated that simply because a given individual does not favor foreign to Israel, or any other nation for that matter, it does not necessarily follow that said individual is anti-Semitic.

    The state of Israel itself, as is true with any nation regardless of location, ethnicity, or political orientation, is merely a ‘nation state.” The modern nation state as it currently exists became an eventuality due to a given set of circumstances occurring just before and during the Reformation in Europe. All modern nation states across the globe are structured on this model, which was obviously made a world wide phenomenon due to the expansive colonial empires of Europe.

    Israeli historian Martin van Creveld outlines the beginnings, rise and decline of the modern nation state in his book, “The Rise and Decline of the State.” (http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Decline-State-Martin-Creveld/dp/052165629X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234291781&sr=8-3)

    A definition of the modern nation state could be defined as, “power granted to a small set of individuals over a given piece of land as limited by political borders drawn upon maps.” From the libertarian perspective, the ethno-religious contents of said state are irrelevant, in particular as it relates to foreign aid–as it pertains to the current discussion.

    To label an individual a “neo-Nazi” due to an individual’s unwillingness to support foreign aid to a specific nation, in this case Israel, is obviously a severe oversimplification. The libertarian should be against all foreign aid, regardless of the political, economic, or ethno-religious content of the nation. Could Israel be construed as a “criminal nation?” Yes indeed, but this is true of all nations since politicians make decisions that benefit only themselves. In an indirect fashion it may appear that the politicians’ and citizens’ interests run parallel, but this is mere political expediency on the part of the former.

    On a more personal note, while I used to favor unlimited economic and military support to Israel for religious and [what I viewed as] pragmatic reasons, it has become clear that foreign aid only perpetuates warfare between a given set of nations as well as experiencing ‘blow-back’ (a term coined by the CIA) for the government providing said aid to the recipient government. Furthermore, poor nations receiving said aid only further empower the recipient dictators of such aid.

    Lastly, and this statement applies to those who are against economic and military aid to Israel, whatever the reasons, one cannot call ones self a libertarian if this rule applies to Israel only. It is merely a single nation state in a world of many. True, the government of Israel has participated, even perpetrated outright criminal actions, but this is also true of every government in the world.

  55. awood785 says:

    David Black,

    “I despise people who need government leaders and 200 year old contracts to ensure their happiness or prosperity.”

    Stop the presses everyone, the David Black has just deemed the bible irrelevant!

    Look, I think the reason that you are attacking people online in such a childish manner is that you a sad little man that hates himself.

    You have to spew your hate online because, if you were to say some of these things to my face, like that I support criminals or terrorists, I would most likely give you the beating of your life and you know it.

    There are plenty of Jews that are not also Zionists, so it is logical to assume that one can be against Zionism, but not Jews.

    You have used so many logical fallacies that my head hurts.

  56. David Black says:

    Let me tell you, mechanized (or whatever else you choose to call yourself this week), you know where you can stuff your armchair psychiatry and pseudo-academic analysis. You can cite any self-hating pally symp Jew you wish, but this fact remains … Israel IS being run by right wing Zionists at present, as it should be.

    Israel has been at war since 1948 and the only way it will stop is if EVERY islamo-fascist organization is destroyed for good. If EVERY islamo-fascist crusade ends its bloodthirsty quest to destroy Israel then the hostilities will stop.

    But because islamo-fascists have an intelligence quotient below that of rabid dogs, they won’t stop.

    DON’T F— WITH THE JEWS!

  57. David Black says:

    “Look, I think the reason that you are attacking people online in such a childish manner is that you a sad little man that hates himself.”

    I’m sorry, awood, but do you have a license to practice psychiatry to make that analysis?

    Childish? That’s how I deem those who think a pro-pothead pro-criminal LOSERtarian from a redneck state like Texas can be the President of the USA.

    I also note that you haven’t attacked those people who have attacked Jews. I know why, you don’t have to answer. It’s because you are one them … just another in the long line of anti-Semitic anti-Israeli yahoos from southern red states who back Ron Paulnuts and post to Doug Wead’s blog.

    Rednecks like 16 year old Mark Tabor form St. Louis, who posted this before being dismissed for the Israeli hating freak that he is …

    ” Foreign aid for the economically needy is one thing, but for a supposedly developed country like Israel, it is pure exploitation of naive US taxpayers.”

    You are just another mangy dog for me to shoot down with my vastly superior education, intellect, and articulation skill.

    When will you people learn that if you f— with Jews you will pay the price?

    Didn’t the recent skirmishes in Gaza teach you ANYTHING?

  58. David Black says:

    LOSERtarian makes the Urban Dictionary! it describes you people perfectly.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=losertarian

  59. kineticreaction says:

    DBlack, LOL at you coming on my blog and claiming I ‘backed down’.

    I destroyed your argument and exposed you as a mentally deranged, hyperactive, Jewish supremacist/racist. I’ve defeated your whole persona, and I am not wasting any more time on you.

    So don’t think that just because I don’t respond to more of your insanity. My time is simply too precious to deal with discredited human garbage.

    —When will you people learn that if you f— with Jews you will pay the price?—

    Shut the fuck up you loser. You should be thrown out of America for your supremacist and threatening comments.

  60. David Black says:

    “So don’t think that just because I don’t respond to more of your insanity. My time is simply too precious to deal with discredited human garbage.”

    That’s right, you have to save your “precious time” writing those delusional fantasies on your blog about morons like Peter Schiff and how LOSERtarians can win the White House in 2012.

    “You should be thrown out of America for your supremacist and threatening comments.”

    I thought you LOSERtarians were so supportive of the “freedom of speech” liberty?

    I guess not.

  61. mechanized0 says:

    Mr. Black,

    –”Let me tell you, mechanized (or whatever else you choose to call yourself this week)…”–

    My response to your post was the first such post at wordpress. Therefore, no other screen name attempts have been applied.

    –”…you know where you can stuff your armchair psychiatry and pseudo-academic analysis.”–

    I wasn’t even aware it could be construed as engaging in psychological analysis. I was merely stating pertinent fact.

    –”You can cite any self-hating pally symp Jew you wish, but this fact remains … Israel IS being run by right wing Zionists at present, as it should be.”–

    The reference to the work of Martin van Creveld was not related to whether or not Israel is a legitimate modern state but rather was a brief attempt to establish the basic foundation of the modern nation state, which, according to Mr. Creveld, had its origins during the 14th century. It’s difficult to understand how describing the fundamental aspects of this makes Mr. Creveld a “self-hating Jew.”

    –”Israel has been at war since 1948 and the only way it will stop is if EVERY islamo-fascist organization is destroyed for good. If EVERY islamo-fascist crusade ends its bloodthirsty quest to destroy Israel then the hostilities will stop.

    But because islamo-fascists have an intelligence quotient below that of rabid dogs, they won’t stop.”–

    The above statement might have been something I would have completely agreed at in the now distant past. However, considering the nature of government itself–regardless of ethnicity, religion, or political orientation–it is difficult to believe that the Israeli government has always acted in the interests of its people.

    Secondly, the term “Islamo-fascism,” a term coined by the imperialistic American neoconservatives, is merely a word designed to strike disgust in the minds of the listeners. It would probably be more accurate to label them theocracies, depending on the nation in question. However, your disgust with such regimes is quite understandable.

    Keep in mind however, that the hostility against Israel became significantly more pronounced since the US government began financially supporting the former. Worse, the US government, via its intelligence arm the CIA, has committed actions which are hardly favorable to mutually-respectful relations between nations. A prime example of this would be the overthrow of the Democratically-elected secularist Muhammad Mossadegh of Iran in 1953 and his subsequent replacement by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (the “Shah”), a brutal tyrant who practiced torture and murder against his own people.

    One such atrocity against his fellow Iranians is related to price controls instituted by the regime. With the exception of politically-connected entrepreneurs, businesses that raised a price in defiance of the controls were subjected to a punishment which left them crippled for life (i.e., beating the soles of the victim’s feet off with bamboo staves).

    Unsurprisingly, after the “Shah” was overthrown, an opposition government was installed in its place. The Iranian people, quite aware that the US intelligence arm had installed the previous administration, understandably began to view the United States as “the Great Satan.” With financial and military support of Israel by the US, an ever-greater number of radical Muslim extremists were created, causing only further problems for Israel. However, the government of Israel has, as mentioned in the past, perpetrated its own criminal acts (again, as all governments have), further fanning the flames of its enemies.

    My belief, as an American, is that Israel and its neighbors should be the participants in the current problems within the Middle East, not the United States, for it is not the business of the latter. It only appears to have further escalated the situation over the past half century as opposed to creating a practical resolution.

    The term Fascism, which unfortunately has become a mere epithet over time, is actually what Mussolini himself called “corporatism,” which can be accurately described as a partnership of big business and government, with the latter naturally assuming the senior role.

  62. David Black says:

    The breadth of your detached intellectual analysis is unquestionably thorough. Yet, within all that, you fail to take a side. That’s pathetic.

    A muslim terrorist dog is still a muslim terrorist dog, no matter how carefully you want to label them.

    Actually, I find such unbiased intellectual commitment on your part sickening and cowardly.

    This is a war of good v. evil. America and Israel are on the side of good and islam is on the side of evil. I can’t make it anymore clear than that.

    If you can’t see that then your head is in the sand. Just remember who it is that flies jets into skyscrapers and beheads hostages on national TV. America cannot be blamed for how the former Shah of Iran treated his people. America cannot be blamed for the inequities of wealth in Arab nations. These people act like savages and deserve to be treated as such in return.

  63. mechanized0 says:

    Mr. Black,

    –”The breadth of your detached intellectual analysis is unquestionably thorough. Yet, within all that, you fail to take a side. That’s pathetic.

    A muslim terrorist dog is still a muslim terrorist dog, no matter how carefully you want to label them.

    Actually, I find such unbiased intellectual commitment on your part sickening and cowardly.”–

    My position is to remain neutral in terms of economic aid and becoming economically and militarily embroiled in Middle East affairs. Why should one be impelled to side with either Israel or isolated Muslim extremists? The Founding Fathers of the United States were clear in their warnings regrading becoming engaged in entangling alliances. Unfortunately, the events of 9/11 were a result of ignoring this advice.

    This problem, albeit painfully severe under the present circumstances, is not the problem of the United States nor its inhabitants. Unfortunately, US foreign policy made retaliatory evils such as the September 11, 2001 incident against the Twin Towers an inevitability. Basically, the terrorism of US foreign policy created the circumstances against it by Arab extremist terrorism.

    –”This is a war of good v. evil. America and Israel are on the side of good and islam is on the side of evil…..

    America cannot be blamed for how the former Shah of Iran treated his people. America cannot be blamed for the inequities of wealth in Arab nations. These people act like savages and deserve to be treated as such in return.”–

    All governments are evil, including Israel and the United States. The actions of the latter’s government inadvertently brought about what was stated above, that is, retaliatory measures by individuals desiring revenge. Obviously this isn’t a justification for the actions of the latter, but rather a natural reaction–however unethical–to US foreign policy. Such a foreign policy has been engaged in staging several coup d’état, thus installing brutal dictators or torture and murder its inhabitants, staging economic sanctions (an act of war), and invasions based upon dubious proclamations.

    Americans would be the first to retaliate should such actions be perpetrated against them. The events of 9/11 are an excellent empirical example of this. Suicide bombers are typically for political, not religious reasons. For further study may I recommend the following:

    Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
    (http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suicide-Terrorism/dp/0812973380/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234738581&sr=8-1)

  64. David Black says:

    “All governments are evil, including Israel and the United States.”

    And you are an idiot. I’m not impressed by people who cite books they’ve read, either, as a means to justify or explain their views.

    I do laugh at those who think they know what was on the minds of the drafters of the Constitution. Certainly alliances with foreign interests have been the norm in American history. Why you would quibble with the one with Israel is rather telling.

    Just be honest and stop hiding your anti-Semitism behind your pseudo-intellectual posturing. You’re not fooling anyone.

  65. mechanized0 says:

    Mr Black,

    –”“All governments are evil, including Israel and the United States.”

    And you are an idiot. I’m not impressed by people who cite books they’ve read, either, as a means to justify or explain their views.

    I do laugh at those who think they know what was on the minds of the drafters of the Constitution. Certainly alliances with foreign interests have been the norm in American history. Why you would quibble with the one with Israel is rather telling.

    Just be honest and stop hiding your anti-Semitism behind your pseudo-intellectual posturing. You’re not fooling anyone.”–

    The reason for the siting of the work is for purposes of further study. It is impractical and unrealistic to delve into a subject which would require hundreds of pages of writing to adequately articulate. Additionally, it was merely an offer for further study should those reading these words feel so inclined.

    My statement regarding the Founding Fathers of the United States were in reference to The Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution itself. Obviously both documents contain flaws, for humans are unable to create a utopian society. However, my personal convictions would find greater favor with the former given the more decentralized nature of the document. The Constitution was a document which was created for purposes of compromise, since the Jeffersonians and Hamiltonians obviously differed in their beliefs toward the responsibilities of government. Looking back, I was obviously unclear as it relates to the details on this issue. My apologies.

    On foreign policy, previous posts have made it quite clear that my objections are not related to economic, political, and military support of Israel alone, but to any nation whatever. The current discussion is in part centered around the case of Israel and its relations with the United States, thus the concentration upon the Israeli government.

    Lastly, it is difficult to understand how constructive [and in my opinion, true] criticism of governments, which within the context of this discussion include the United States and Israel, can be construed as Antisemitism. Were antisemitic tendencies on my part actually the case my primary influences, particularly within the realm of economics, would not be Ludwig von Mises and Murray N. Rothbard. Both individuals were Jewish and possessed minds far exceeding many, if not all, of their peers.

    Interestingly enough, and while not an economist but ironically a film director, it was Stanley Kubrick–a Jewish man–whose work inadvertently inspired me to begin reading, an action which I largely avoided in earlier times. These individuals greatly contributed to, informed, and even created, my intellectual development. Therefore, it is quite false to suggest that I may hold any antisemitic proclivities.

  66. David Black says:

    Mechanized0: I’ve researched your google history to confirm my suspicions about your political orientation. Ludwig von Mises, Peter Schiff, Ron Paulnuts, all these “sages” beloved by the Losertarian movement prove how desperate and futile it is to place individuals on pedestals in times of crisis.

    They can’t save you, nor can their beliefs. Every individual has the power to save themselves if they need to. Sadly, too many people can’t because of their pathetic lack of self-determination and personal resolve.

    I’m not going to let Barry O.’s socialist turns for the USA ruin my life or the lives of my family. I’ve already made moves to insulate ourselves from any deeper economic troubles. It is possible to beat the present system if you have the intelligence and cunning to do so.

    In context of my own Zionist leanings, any criticism of the USA’s investments into Israel’s security can be construed as anti-Semitic.

  67. mechanized0 says:

    Mr. Black,

    –”Mechanized0: I’ve researched your google history to confirm my suspicions about your political orientation. Ludwig von Mises, Peter Schiff, Ron Paulnuts, all these “sages” beloved by the Losertarian movement prove how desperate and futile it is to place individuals on pedestals in times of crisis.”–

    It was unnecessary to engage to investigate any previous Google history considering that it has already been stated where my political and economic affinities lie.

    My respect of Peter Schiff and Dr. Paul is considerable. However, my greater emphasis is directed toward Ludwig von Mises, Murray N. Rothbard, Carl Menger, Joseph T. Salerno, Thomas E. Woods, Ralph Raico, Michael Rozeff, Frank Chodorov, George Reisman and many others. The aforementioned individuals, whether directly or indirectly, are all members of the Austrian School of Economics.

    This isn’t to suggest that other individuals before the creation of this particular school of thought in 1871, with the publication of “Carl Menger’s Principles of Economics,” hold little to no respect from me. Juan de Mariana, Turgot, Frederick Bastiat, Jean Baptiste-Say, Richard Cantillon and many others I also hold in high esteem.

    As for political libertarianism ones adherence to their school of thought depends on which branch and/or degree of “libertarianism” one holds. Those who consider these views illegitimate are obviously at liberty to do so. Although, in my opinion, I cannot agree with this position.

    –”They can’t save you, nor can their beliefs. Every individual has the power to save themselves if they need to. Sadly, too many people can’t because of their pathetic lack of self-determination and personal resolve.”–

    Interestingly enough, I would agree with the above assessment. In fact, the above is exactly what libertarianism suggests an individual do, that is, self-determination and personal resolve, which ultimately boils down to personal responsibility in thought and action. The problem however, is that so many individuals are not interested in this and instead insist that government bureaucracy be their crutch, perhaps even their god, though admittedly without even realizing this.

    –”I’m not going to let Barry O.’s socialist turns for the USA ruin my life or the lives of my family. I’ve already made moves to insulate ourselves from any deeper economic troubles. It is possible to beat the present system if you have the intelligence and cunning to do so.”–

    Very likely. On a more personal note, this is precisely what I am attempting to accomplish, not only for me but also for my parents, given the continued socialist and neomercantilist policies of previous administrations as well as the current one.

    Hopefully, you shall succeed in your endeavor, particularly as it relates to creating the economic insulation necessary to prevent the current economic crisis from “swallowing” you and those close. All individuals should be busying themselves in achieving likewise. Simply waiting for change without action reminds one of the coyote’s attempt to prevent the train from running over him by pulling down the window curtain (this reference assumes the reader has seen the cartoon in question).

    –”In context of my own Zionist leanings, any criticism of the USA’s investments into Israel’s security can be construed as anti-Semitic.”–

    One instance of viewing US policy toward Israel as anti-Semitic comes to mind. Currently, the US government provides a great deal of economic support toward the Israeli government. However, much of this returns to the former in the form of purchases of military equipment from the US’s military-industrial-congressional complex. Basically, it provides further economic stimulus to the politically-connected corporations that create and sell military equipment. Furthermore, often times Israeli officials will ask permission of the US government before committing to a given political or military decision. In this way, one could state that it isn’t Israel controlling US foreign policy (though some influence does indeed exist) but rather the reverse.

  68. David Black says:

    It’s a shame that with all your apparent education and intelligence, you aren’t smart enough to see the fraud that is the Ron Paulnuts crusade.

    How anyone can respect Paulnuts is just mind boggling. He offers nothing that’s connected to any reality. He offers bromides to disaffected American hillbillies and rednecks who have nothing and will never have anything in the way of wealth or power.

  69. mechanized0 says:

    Mr. Black,

    –”It’s a shame that with all your apparent education and intelligence, you aren’t smart enough to see the fraud that is the Ron Paulnuts crusade.

    How anyone can respect Paulnuts is just mind boggling. He offers nothing that’s connected to any reality. He offers bromides to disaffected American hillbillies and rednecks who have nothing and will never have anything in the way of wealth or power.”–

    What, in your opinion, is fraudulent about Ron Paul’s message or his supporter’s goals? Additionally, what could be determined as the very worst aspect?

  70. David Black says:

    Mechanized0: I have written extensively about Ron Paulnuts on my blog, easily linked by way of clicking on my name on this post’s header.

    By the way, I have not updated my blog since the election since I did not want to join the chorus of sore losers in my party that will be complaining about Barry O. for the next four years.

    I read and heard lib Dem whining for the last eight years under Bush and I did not want to be like them.

    I think it’s more useful to attack those from within my own party and ideology, because they, for the most part, are the reasons McCain lost this election. That was also discussed on my blog. Ever LOSERtarian whack job lurched out of the woodwork and tried to take me on there but lost.

  71. David Black says:

    Mechanized0: I failed to include christian evangelical whack jobs to the list of those who were responsible for McCain losing the election. They and LOSERtarians were the worst offenders, followed closely by paleo-cons still living in an antiquated Robert Taft/Barry Goldwater mentality.

  72. mechanized0 says:

    Mr Black,

    There is little purpose in siding with either the Democrats or Republican Parties given their statist tendencies. Overall there is little apparent difference between the two, although their styles in achieving full statism may differ. If the desire for liberty belongs only to what might be termed “losers,” then I must unfortunately include myself within this category.

    Perhaps it is pointless to “whine,” unless of course this accusation includes actually attempting to involve ones self in the spreading of ideas. Before any political changes can be achieved in any nation, the realm of ideas must first change. In this respect, it was quite futile for Dr. Paul’s enthusiastic supporters to engage in attempting to elect him for President. However, the campaign has achieved one of its primary goals, that is to spread the ideas of liberty, the Austrian School of Economics, and remind individuals of the meaning of the Constitution. Regarding the latter, it is admittedly, a flawed document. In fact, a return to the Articles of Confederation would be preferable. The likelihood of this under the present circumstances is of course minuscule to non-existent.

    Times will eventually change, for the world does change ,for good or ill, with each passing year, decade, and century. Whether or not it will culminate–at a given point in time–toward liberty or ever-greater tyranny is a story yet to be written.

    Originally, Ron Paul entered congress simply to provide himself with a platform for the expression of his views on foreign policy and economics; i.e., to spread the ideas of liberty. Little success in terms of creating liberty-minded individuals until his recent campaign run. Unfortunately, even too many of his supporters have spent little time engaging in the study of economics and history to properly articulate the viewpoints they espouse. Self-education must be achieved before attempting to talk to others about these matters, otherwise one is left only with enthusiasm, which is hardly adequate for their expressed task. On this point, criticism of those guilty of this can and should be properly admonished.

    In the long term, it is hardly the fault of libertarians for McCain’s failed presidency run, for both parties are leaving little to choose between one another. The ever-increasing statism within both parties have experienced tremendous growth for over a century and are thus both extremely corrupt. For any actual political change to occur the reputation of both parties, as opposed to merely one or the other, must eventually lose legitimacy among Americans. Although I fear the requirement for this will be consequences that will be extremely painful, perhaps unprecedented, for the American people. What this requirement actually is is another question, one which is likely unanswerable at this point.

    In any event, if you have actually positioned yourself and your family in favorable position to see a significant reduction or completely insulation from the likely economic catastrophe being brought about by the two recent administration then I would encourage other individual, regardless of whether or not one agrees with Mr. Black’s position to do likewise. The coming years are almost certain to be exceedingly dangerous in several respects.

  73. David Black says:

    “Originally, Ron Paul entered congress simply to provide himself with a platform for the expression of his views on foreign policy and economics; i.e., to spread the ideas of liberty.”

    Had to tell you, but those ideas were already “spread” ad nauseam by every other pol in Washington. There was nothing new with Dr. Paulnut’s crusade.

    Foreign policy? Abandon Israel and watch her destruction in the hands of islamo-fascists (oh that’s right, you are concerned with how radical islam is characterized, tsk tsk, I see where YOUR sympathies lie!)

    Economics? Run your country like a cheap mom and pop store that’s afraid to gamble and spend when times demand it. Yes, that’s really smart! (sarcasm)

    Austrian School of Economics? If it it as brain dead as the Austrian School of Psychology, then no one needs to pay attention to it.

    There is only ONE “School of Economics” that’s relevant: “Work your ass off, take risks, and don’t be afraid to fail. Always think BIG!”

    That’s it in a nutshell. That’s what my family did. My family are Austrian Jews and I doubt any of them heard of a “Leonard von Mises.” We never needed him or anyone like him.

    The reason why so many Americans fail to prosper is because they are fearful and lack arrogance.

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  75. MG says:

    I would be happy to vote Ron Paul in 2012

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  77. Giovanni says:

    Man I say, what a truly mesmerizing jackass this Mr. Black is.

    You are dumb, Mr. Black. Do you understand what I am saying?

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  79. Doug Wead, YOU ROCK! Thank You for Your continued efforts to help Mr. Ron Paul in 2011-2012.

    God Bless

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